Example SMPS technical measurements

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    Example SMPS technical measurements

    Switch Mode Power Supplies (SMPS) are ubiquitous in use with lower cost audio components. The one notable exception is Schiit which employs transformer wall warts and linear power supplies internal to most of their smaller audio components. How they differ in ripple and residual noise will be the focus of this comparative evaluation.

    This post will cover select measurements for a few example SMPS. All will be 5Vdc output unless otherwise stated.

    Post 1: Test setup and measurement limitations
    Post 2: Soekris SMPS, iFi Power 2 and X, Meanwell GST25A05
    Post 3: Several USB chargers
    Post 4: dac1221 specific residual noise measurements
    Post 4: dac1221 current draw vs. musical passages



    01 smps examples composite small.jpg
    On the left is the SMPS supplied with Soekris dac1221
    Middle is an iFi Power 2
    On the right is a commonly used Meanwell GST25A05


    02 test_load_small.jpg
    A test load designed for SMPS noise measurements will be utilized.
    This test load draws 25 mA at 5Vdc.
    Test load components:
    200R 50W resistor
    47uF 63V electrolytic capacitor
    1uF 275V film capacitor


    03 20241222 smps test load picoscope.png
    Test setup diagram
    Oscilloscope is Picotech 5243B
    AC coupling
    Measurement bandwidth 10 Hz to 4.808 MHz

    Measurement system noise floor without and with test load

    04 20241125 no PS 140uVpp 20 uS div 75R load.png
    Oscilloscope time domain residual noise with 75R terminator on input.
    Measurement noise floor is 140 uVpp
    This is the lowest this oscilloscope can resolve with 5 MHz bandwidth.

    05 20241125 no PS 150uVpp 20 uS div test load.png
    Oscilloscope time domain residual noise with test load connected to input.
    Noise measurement increases to 150 uVpp.

    06 20241125 no PS 140uVpp 262K FFT 75R load.png
    Oscilloscope frequency domain residual noise with 75R terminator on input.
    FFT is 256K with sample rate 1 MS/s
    This is the FFT noise floor with which to compare subsequent measurements.
    Observe the approximately -109 dBu spike at 243 KHz.
    -109 dBu is equivalent to 2.75 uV.
    At 100 Hz noise floor is approximately -125 dBu or 436 uV.

    07 20241125 no PS 150uVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    With test load added more noise is observed, mostly above 40 KHz.
    Everything is shielded and grounded to actual earth ground with test load isolated carefully from potential noise sources.
    Ambient environment EMI is the limiting factor for this measurement.
    Noise measures approximately 3 uV and below from 40 KHz to 400 KHz.
     
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    Time Domain Measurements

    11 20241125 GST25A05 5V smps 14mVpp 20uS div test load.png
    Meanwell GST25A05 has a ripple specification of 80 mVpp.
    In this measurement 14 mVpp is observed with approximately 525 uS period and smaller ripple with 50 uS period. Definitely better than specification with the test load.

    12 20241125 stock 5V smps 6mVpp 20uS div test load.png
    Soekris dac1221 stock SMPS
    6 mVpp ripple with a period of approximately 50 uS
    As will be demonstrated in post 4 below, this is a very good choice to balance design tradeoffs of power supply noise with cost.

    13 20241126 iFi Power 2 5V smps 250uVpp 20uS div test load.png
    iFi Power 2 measures approximately 250 uVpp in this test setup.
    Keep in mind the system measurement limitations noted in post 1 above.

    14 20241125 iFi Power X 5V smps 250uVpp 20uS div test load.png
    iFi Power X measures approximately 250 uVpp in this test setup.
    Keep in mind the system measurement limitations noted in post 1 above.

    15 20241126 GST25A05 5V smps + Super Nuke 170uVpp 20uS div test load.png
    Meanwell GST25A05 with NoiseNuke™ measures 172 uVpp

    Frequency Domain Measurements

    16 20241125 GST25A05 5V smps 14mVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    Meanwell GST25A05 has notable components at
    1 KHz ~1.25 mV
    2 KHz ~2.50 mV
    Above 2 KHz below 275 uV

    17 20241125 stock 5V smps 6mVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    Soekris dac1221 stock SMPS has notable components at
    6 KHz ~275uV
    22 KHz ~350uV
    Everything else below ~110uV

    18 20241126 iFi Power 2 5V smps 250uVpp 262K FFT test load t2.png
    iFi Power 2 measures close to measurement system limits of 3 uV

    19 20241125 iFi Power X 5V smps 250uVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    iFi Power X measures close to measurement system limits of 3 uV
    A small oddity appears between 1 KHz and 4 KHz but below 1.1 uV

    20 20241126 GST25A05 5V smps + Super Nuke 170uVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    Meanwell GST25A05 + NoiseNuke™ near measurement system limits
     
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    A few USB 5V charging and utility SMPS were also measured

    Time Domain Measurements

    31 20241126 Anker USB chg 5V smps 430mVpp 2mS div test load.png
    Anker two port charger 430 mVpp
    Ok for charging but would definitely not use for audio!!

    32 20241126 Apple USB chg 5V smps 4mVpp 20uS div test load.png
    Original Apple cube charger ~4 mVpp
    Possibly ok for audio use

    33 20241126 FNIRSI USB chg 5V smps 5mVpp 20uS div test load.png
    SMPS supplied with FNIRSI oscilloscope ~5 mVpp
    Components with excellent on-board power supply filters such as Soekris dac1221 would work fine with this residual noise.

    Frequency Domain Measurements

    34 20241126 Anker USB chg 5V smps 430mVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    Anker 2 port charger – stick to charging use only

    35 20241126 Apple USB chg 5V smps 4mVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    Apple original cube charger – much better than Anker above

    36 20241126 FNIRSI USB chg 5V smps 5mVpp 262K FFT test load.png
    FNIRSI SMPS is also much better than the Anker charger above.
     
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    SMPS time domain and frequency domain measurements have been demonstrated to differ considerably. But what difference does it make to an audio component. That depends on the sophistication of the audio component on-board power supply filter design. If it is a minimal design then the external power supply noise can have a considerable influence on the audio component performance.

    In the case of Soekris dac1221 which has a reasonably sophisticated on-board power supply filter design, the external SMPS noise influence is minimized.

    Bandwidth of the following Dynamic Range measurements are 96 KHz and the DAC is receiving data from Dante via spdif at 88 KHz. Soft filter is selected.

    41 20241127 dac1221 dynamic range FFT SE - spdif Dante 88K - stock smps t2.png
    dac1221 dynamic range with stock SMPS

    42 20241127 dac1221 dynamic range FFT SE - spdif Dante 88K - iFi Power 2 smps t3.png
    dac1221 dynamic range with iFi Power 2

    possibly 1 dB improvement.
    I use the iFi Power 2 with my dac1221 but the listening experience with stock SMPS will be fine.


    While making the SMPS noise measurements I began to wonder how much the current draw might vary during various musical passages. It became apparent that current does vary depending on music.

    Measurements description:
    Keysight 34465A DMM
    NPLC of 10
    Approximately 3 measurements per second
    Approximately 60 second measurement period
    y-axis is 500 uA / division

    Below for the reader’s amusement and amazement are current measurements for Soekris dac1221.

    43 20241209 dac1221 iFi Pwr2 current Bloody Oil excerpt.png
    Bloody Oil – Medeski, Martin & Wood

    44 20241209 dac1221 iFi Pwr2 current Little Walter Rides Again excerpt.png
    Little Walter Rides Again – Medeski, Scofield, Martin & Wood

    45 20241209 dac1221 iFi Pwr2 current Mami Gato excerpt.png
    Mami Gato – Medeski, Martin & Wood

    46 20241209 dac1221 iFi Pwr2 current New Planet excerpt.png
    New Planet – Medeski, Martin & Wood

    47v20241209 dac1221 iFi Pwr2 current Overwerk - Daybreak excerpt.png
    Daybreak - Overwerk

    Data collections were repeatable for each passage thus the differences are verifiable.
    Kick drum and loud bass notes appear to have the greatest impact.
     
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    Reserved for additional data and / or corrections.
     
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    Very cool, many thanks for this. That stock dac1221 power supply is the same as the one that came with the earlier dac1321. Presuming the internal filtering of the 1221 doesn't differ much from what's in the 1321 (paging @soekris for confirmation :)), the iPower SMPS and Mark Johnson DC filter that are now in front of my 1321 might go elsewhere in the system.

    There is of course already a NoiseNuke in the most critical position. :headbang:
     
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    Nice work.... I use Power Supplies from XP Power, not just some random Chinese ones, although XP Power also manufacturer them in China.... I learned long time ago to be careful, an old Power Supply vendor once sold me some Power Supplies that died quickly when used on 230V, I took it apart and found they had crappy capacitors,the input capacitor I was able to look up, it was specified at 1000 hours life at 85 °C, didn't know anybody manufacture them that bad.... Electrolytic Capacitor life is a product of capacitor design, temperature and load. On my boards I mostly use electrolytics specified for 5000-10000 hours at 105 °C. Life usually doubles with each 10 °C lower temperature....

    And yes, the dac1221 have good filtering at the power input, although not exactly the same circuit as the dac1321.... When selling worldwide I like to have power supplies that work world wide....
     
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    Power supplies are 50% of an audio component design challenge.
    Søren definitely takes this seriously. @soekris DACs perform very well as a result.
    Since the dac1221 was mentioned prominently in this thread, see
    this post
    for my opinions about the dac1221.
     

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