Focal Clear

Discussion in 'Headphones' started by The Alchemist, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. The Alchemist

    The Alchemist MOT: Schiit - Here to help!

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    Has anyone had the opportunity to listen to the new Focal Clear? What are your thoughts?

    P.S. If this is posted elsewhere, I apologize, I couldn't find it.
     
  2. David De Lucena

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    Nice, I was looking after this thread. I didn’t had a change to listen to Clear. But a friend of mine was in a meeting in Berlin and he is preparing to sell his audeze lcd3 to get funding to focal clear. He sad that clear was more enjoyable than utopia, but with less technicalities
     
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    He says the tonal balance is pretty much perfect, not that the headphone is pretty much perfect. One thing that Is unforgivable for me in cans above $1000 is poor channel matching, and he noted that and even tested multiple times to see if it was really there. That's a clear no-go for me on such an expensive headphone.

    There's also a messy razor blade above 20kHz. While inaudible, I do wonder if that could contribute to listening fatigue. He does note sharp-ish accents from the treble, but that's probably from the actual frequency response rather than the inaudible band.

    I do trust solderdude, mind you. I think he's great for the hobby and I love his amplifiers. I don't for a moment believe he's trying to blow smoke.

    But tonal response being "pretty much perfect" to one person is very subjective. I can see a couple of bumps in the frequency response that would render me incapable of tolerating the Clears (sadly--I miss out on a lot of great headphones because of my treble allergy).
     
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    I had the pleasure of testing them out at the latest Audio Video Show Warsaw last week! Was only maybe fifteen minutes in a somewhat shitty environment, but at least this time it was music I did know.

    Went to them straight from the Utopias, which left me kind of... let down from all the internet hype? Also, it made the comparison somewhat tinted. So I guess imagine the Utopia sound, except Clear(hurr)er. Lighter. One that feels more effortless in presentation. Somewhat more planktony (buzzwords hey). Maybe a bit less detailed, yeah.

    Also, they're one of the most beautifully made headphones on the market. I dunno, I'd buy them if I could. And I only felt that about like four headphones out of a few dozen I tried out.
     
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    What were the other three?
     
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    I wonder if you couldn't accomplish what the Clear does through EQing the Elear.

    Are the technicalities any different between the Elear and Clear, or is it mostly a matter of tuning? Clear has lower THD and impedance (which may not be desirable), but the sensitivity and driver size are identical.
     
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    ATH-ADX5000, Audeze LCD-4 and the Westone W60 IEMs.
    They're not even remotely similar to each other as far as sound signatures go though. But I guess that's the beauty of the hobby!
     
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    How does the ATH-ADX5000 sound?
    I've been searching but couldn't find anything, it certainly looks the part
     
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    Yea, very subjective!

    I still can't tell if I love or hate the Utopias. When I switch to my HiFiMan cans I am utterly disappointed now. I end up missing the clarity of the Utopia, but then the Utopia also leaves me frustrated at times. There is an aggressiveness that is sometimes appealing, and sometimes aggravating.

    Not sure there is a perfect headphone. Pick your poison.
     
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    I’m enjoying the the Clears immensely, good tonality, soundstage, clarity, dynamics, for those amongst you who are reading charts and not actually listening, you really need to listen to a pair.
     
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    Have you introduced yourself on the introduction thread yet? I noticed you haven't posted anything on there yet: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...rs-introduce-yourself.17/page-123#post-177939

    Anyway, back on topic:

    Luckbad is referring to the measurements to see what solderdude is talking about. Specifically, the listening fatigue and sharp accents on the treble section. People use measurements as a first-impressions thing to determine whether or not they would like a headphone before they go out of their way to try it. It's valuable in that way, and saves people time and money.

    Plus, @Luckbad is completely right about the channel matching. That's just unacceptable.
     
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    Especially when you have to shell out $1500 for it.
     
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    Introduction posted, thank you Paco Taco, no offense intended on questioning measurements, it’s just that my personal experience is that they are of limited use compared to actual Head time.
     
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    Actually spending $1500 on them as opposed to just trying them is certainly one way to make them sound better.
     
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    That explains it! I was $500 short of making the Alpha Primes sound good! Wait, fuck, the Ether series still sucks. Maybe they'll get it right four grand like Audeze did.
     
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    While I do love the angst, righteous indignation and “if I haven’t heard it but 1 chart showed whatever the fuck I hate attitude” on SBAF, I’m not sure it contributes much to the conversation. If you live in a place where you can’t try them before you buy them why not at least wait until “earyou trust” try out a new product?
     
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    Any comparisons to Elear or Utopia (which were both on the loaner program here so many are familiar with their sound)? It’s just that my personal experience that absolute* subjective impressions from people I do not know or don't have a posting history here is that they are 5000.372% more useless than the already limited charts.

    * That is non-comparative. For example, one could easily just as easily say this based on personal preferences or as a result of limited experience:

    I’m enjoying the HD800 immensely, good tonality, soundstage, clarity, dynamics, for those amongst you who are reading charts and not actually listening, you really need to listen to a pair
    or this:

    I’m enjoying the LCD4 immensely, good tonality, soundstage, clarity, dynamics, for those amongst you who are reading charts and not actually listening, you really need to listen to a pair
    or this:

    I’m enjoying my penis immensely, good tonality, soundstage, clarity, dynamics, for those amongst you who are reading charts and not actually listening, you really need to listen to a pair

    Thank you oh wise Sarnac. No one here would have ever thought of this in million years. You have enlightened all of us. We are in your debt.
     
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