Lynx PCIe AES interfaces: AES16 and E22

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  1. Drifterxny

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    Ah you are right, thanks. Was under the impression that thunderbolt was only meant for macs. With that said, can anyone recommend an enclosure, its sole purpose would be to house the lynx 16e? Cheapest quality option? thanks
     
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    Any PCI-e external enclosure connected via thunderbolt will do. Macs adopted thunderbolt early but it's on a lot of PC. My Asus laptop even has it.
     
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    Thanks, first I've heard about it.
     
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    I decided to buy an SU-6 to check it out. Been running it for about a week.
    Have to say this is the best USB ddc I've used. It's definitely on par with my Lynx AES16e, but I wouldn't say better, different. And you'd have to know what you prefer to go either way.

    SU-6 (I hate using words like this) sounds "holographic". Really insane low level resolution and texture to the sound.
    Although, it's a much more forward presentation than the Lynx. The biggest differences are Lynx has better soundstage, is more laid back and is more neutral. SU-6 has better texture and low level detail to the sound, leans slightly bright compared to Lynx.

    I've also used SU-6 as a word clock output to my Lynx AES16e.
    https://i.imgur.com/LbZzVC3.png

    I'd say PC -> USB -> SU-6 -> DAC and PC -> SU-6 word clock -> Lynx -> DAC sound more similar to each other than PC -> Lynx (internal clock) -> DAC. When using SU-6 as word clock output to Lynx, it's slightly better that USB SU-6, nothing significant tho, slightly evens out the forward presentation and soundstage. Might because I'm not using a meme 1.5m digital AES cable for SU-6 direct. I wouldn't recommend both together unless you already own a PCI(e) card that accepts word clock, not worth the cost imo.

    Between the two it seems like a close battle in terms of price/performance. Su-6 is around $650, PCI(e) clockers are around $300 (for older PCI models) and $550ish for newer PCIe models (RME/Lynx). If you need the portability that SU-6 has, add another $200 for a thunderbolt enclosure.

    Don't know if this is true, but I've read crystal oscillators can take up to a month to equalize (burn in). I'll report back if SU-6 sound changes over the fallowing weeks.

    (as always, this review is imo/ymmv)

    Gear Used:
    Belkin Gold USB
    Regular audio 2ft XLR/AES cable
    Yggdrasil-v2
    EC AF / Pentode head-amps
    HD800SDR
    Redbook flac
    Singxer SU-6
    Lynx AES16e with standard breakout cable + thunderbolt enclosure
     
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    I just finished comparing my E22 to an AES16e. The E22 is the clear choice if you only need two channels.

    I tried both in AES/EBU mode first, replugging into a Yggdrasil's AES input. Then I switched the E22 to SPDIF mode, and plugged both the E22 and AES16e into the Yggdrasil (using the RCA connector for the SPDIF), and fed them with the same program using JRiver's flaky zones so that I could A/B them using Yggdrasil's front panel switch.

    The differences were most apparent in the highs. With the E22, violins were sweeter and cleaner, and more convincingly "present" in the room. Soprano voice was smoother. By comparison, the AES16e was a bit veiled and grey, with less of a palpable feeling that the instruments were present; the sound was more plastic, less liquid, even subtly distorted.

    I should point out that these differences, while clearly audible in an A/B comparison, were fairly subtle. While I didn't directly compare USB to the AES16e, SPDIF from the E22 was so much better than USB on a Gungnir that I've no doubt the AES16e is superior to USB (which having just read through the thread I see is already the consensus).

    However, I'm a bit disappointed since I need more than two channels. Nervosa to be sure, but I was already accustomed to the sweet sound of the E22, so the AES16e was a letdown. I'm wondering about the alternatives, e.g., Rednet/Dante. Looks like that comparison never happened?
     
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    The Rednet is as good as the Lynx, possibly slightly better, for more money and way more space. I miss my Lynx card but not the Rednet (though they fixed one of my main gripes by letting the sample rate change automatically).
     
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    Thanks, Luckbad. I was wondering if they'd fixed the sample rate change!

    I suppose the alternative would be a Mutec on the AES16e, but that also seems pricey and unwieldly . . .
     
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    Just an update. I upgraded my system and decided to try a fresh install of Fedora 31 beta and this card now works out of the box, all you have to do is install the alsa-firmware package, reboot, select the multichannel output device and you're done.

    Of course you can still tweak the sound quality but no more messing with pulseaudio config files just to get non distorted stereo output.

    For direct alsa it is of course bitperfect as long as the gain is at 0db so no tweaking required.
     
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