DAP discussion thread

Discussion in 'IEMs and Portable Gear' started by zerodeefex, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. Spl4tt

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    I'm using my ZX2 every day.
    After around 20 hours of listening (Total time, even if you shut the device down and continue later on) it warns you and decreases the volume if you listen too loud. You can press on "OK" and crank it up again.

    That's the only thing it does with volume.
     
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    I am by no means a portable guy, have very limited DAP experience (only owned a 2nd gen Fiio X3) but I just bought a Fiio M3 for $50. I got tired of using my phone as a portable source, and the M3 sounds as good. Plenty of power for my shure 535's, too loud is 30 / 60 on the volume scale. Controls are a bit cumbersome, but after 2 min I got used to it. Compared this to the Sansa Clips's and took a chance on this as it could accept 64 gb cards and had a color screen. So far it plays music and has decent battery life. Will work out great when I'm working out or mowing the lawn - probably not suited for critical listening.
     
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    Edits: Just received the Cowon Plenue D. Super tiny size with all the buttons you need on the same side. The UI is pretty good and it's faster than my first gen AK100. It's a solid player design wise but SQ is a bit on the thin side and lacks some balls. This characteristic has held across various iems and remains after 24 hour run in.
     
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    Love to hear your impression after run-in. I was keen to get this DAP and wanted to hear people's honest impression before pulling trigger. I was impressed its battery life which made me interesting in this DAP..

    Have you also tried Calyx M? I heard some very positive impressions about it and was told that it matches AK240 level at cheaper price....
     
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    I decided to return the Plenue D. I'm not sure if I'd characterize it as having bass roll off or not but it certainly lacked balls. Notes were on the thin side but definitely clean sounding. No hiss that I could hear with uber sensitive iems. If it could have sounded at least as good as my iPhone, I would have kept it because UI and build were fantastic.

    I haven't tried the Calyx M. The super short battery life reported by early users and UI issues were a turn off to me.

    I think the AK240 is pretty decent. My main issue with it, is that the manufacturer output impedance measurements cannot be trusted. They claim 2 but I believe Tyll measured around 3 to 3.3. That's a little too much for my sensitive BA base iems. I believe this will be an issue with any of the AK daps and it makes no sense to spend more than the AK240 costs IMO. Any dap over $500 should make it priority #1 to get the OI under 1 ohm.

    It was just a show audition but I'd have to say the QP1R is the best sounding dap I've heard. Treble was amazing. However it's pretty large and I don't want a scroll wheel and front facing buttons and a volume wheel on the top of the dap. Every high end dap should do buttons all on one side exactly how the Sony ZX2 or Cowon daps do it. Or put volume wheels on the side like AK. All IMO of course.
     
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    I have owned a few DAPs in the past (AK100, X3, X5 and Sony A series). I recently picked up the X7 with the AM1 module for a pretty good deal. I am really enjoying the sound and ease of use. It is also nice not having my cell phone tied up while listening. The battery life has been more than acceptable (around 8.5-9 hours with IEMs). I am not very good at reviews or comparing gear with audiophile language, but I would recommend the X7 to someone looking for a android based DAP with some flexibility (modules) that sounds good.
     
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    No doubt the QP1R sounds great but how did you find its hiss performance with sensitive IEMs?
     
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    Good question. I only had the Perfect Seal AR6 with me to test. No hiss with it but it's nowhere as sensitive as the Andromeda or Zeus-R. I've read some reports of hiss with Zeus.
     
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    That's weird you say the D was thin. In my circle (bassheads) this is well received. Did you use any of their crazy settings? BBE?

    I rec the X7 as well, with the modular system it has eliminated the need to stack for me when OTG. I do prefer the zx2 if paired with sensitive IEMS. If it has enough to power them, the zx2 is hard to beat. I actually sold my AK240 and opted to keep the zx2.
     
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    I didn't care for any of the sound enhancements. I turn all that off, as it doesn't sound natural to me.
     
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    I've read quite a few people feel same way. I've yet to try a cowon DAP.
     
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    qp1r is pretty meh imo, sounded flat and boring to me likely do to the cs4398 (SHIT DAC IMO)
     
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    Calyx M is the DAP of K10, same sort of warm, thick, euphoric, amazeballs signature. New AK3XX series uses 4490 and I thought it's an improvement. But still it's AK being AK and the output z were still problematic to my ears.
     
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    ak daps have some of the shittiest amp sections. Had a 380 for a while was not impressed.

    Daps i've heard that were good:

    onkyo dpx1 (bad build quality and some qc issues but surprisingly good sounding, no 44.1khz clock though so music is played in 48khz multiples.)

    cayin n5 ( reasonable price, sounded great, terrible out dated UI though)

    ak jr. (love me some wolfson 8740, musical and intimate)


    avoid at all costs:

    fiio (anything)
    ibasso (anything)
    astell n kern (amything but jr)
     
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    I've never understood the desire for desktop power in a dap. The fiio and geek threads are full of people wanting moar power. It's a portable dap. It's for powering iems and portable headphones, neither of which need much. In iems you are inviting hiss and noise with moar power. AK has plenty of power for the most insensitive of iems. Their problem is the fake output impedance specifications.
     
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    I agree, for portable use I'm going to probably be sticking to IEMs. I'd much rather have clean power with fine tuned volume control than a massive power surplus.
     
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    Not sure about you, but most of my use with my DAP is with the Talos (T50RP mod) out & about, and even at home it drives full-size headphones (HD 6x0/HE400i) much, much more than IEMs, so decent power output is very essential for my use.
     
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    Makes sense. But I would assume you are a minority user, not necessarily the majority. Maybe there are more guys like you than I realize because (it seems) more audiophile daps are configured for your use case than mine (iems). They either have too high impedance, are too noisy, have too much hiss, not enough volume play (get too loud too fast), etc. Then multiple gain selections mean negative feedback usage. I just find it funny annoying, not haha, that as an iem user, I have to strap an amp to a dap to get good/correct SQ, thereby forgoing ultimate portability with the ultimate portable in iems.

    Edited for fat finger keying.
     
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    I love the QP1R and am not super sensitive to hiss, but the Zeus R hisses so bad from the QP1R that I couldn't use the combo. That's the first time that hiss has ever been a problem for me (not counting the wide variety of noises from the Fiio X7).
     
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    Problem with the X7 Was that the am1 that was originally included was severely underpowered. They should have included the am2. With hard to drive IEMS (Sony Xb90ex, EX800st, ex1000, asg g2/5, etc.) it sounded decent but was under driven. If I eqed some bass, as low as 1db, instant distortion.

    The am2 sounds significantly better and drives those same IEMS perfectly. I have the am5, but it's basically overkill for any iem. I'm waiting on the am3 (balanced) but I doubt it will change the sound much, if at all.

    The am1 is so bad for me I would have returned it instantly if it had no other options. My cell phone sounded better (rooted with viper so not a fair comparison). Even with viper off, my lgv10 seemed to have just as much power as the am1. I'll revisit that tonight, just to verify.
     

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