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Focal Elear and Utopia

Discussion in 'Headphones' started by SingSing, Jun 14, 2016.

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  1. gbeast

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    Lets rephrase this here a bit for ya via doodoo translate.

    "TIA:

    I am brand new and don't know if my post is appropriate but if anyone can help I would kindly appreciate it.

    My current experience with the Ether C Flow is that despite it being a closed back I am missing a bit of the bass impact usually needed for EDM and Hip Hop. I have heard the HEX and find its bass impact satisfying but the treble a bit too rolled. Given that I can buy both at the same price, which would be the better choice between the Elear or the HEX?

    Priorities (knowing the HEX will have the better soundstage):
    Bass impact
    Instrument separation
    Resolution
    Treble Presence"

    Answer:
    Firsty, Introduce yourself here http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...bers-introduce-yourself.17/page-57#post-78203

    Good morning,

    I am not aware of anyone who has them both so your best answers may have to come from someones memory. So I will offer mine:

    - The HEX is a decent sounding headphone for under a grand and is easy to power but not as scalable as the Elear and is possibly less amp picky.
    - The Elear will sound more clear, dynamic, punchy, and engaging which in my opinion is better for EDM.
    - If you are okay with a smaller soundstage than the Elear may be the better choice.
    - It is just as, if not more resolving than the HEX.
    - The HEX may have a deeper and more even bass presentation which can do rumble better than slam. I personally find it extremely boring and cheaply made.
    - The Elear does punch better than rumble and can do a little bit of both.
    - Neither are going to be as ideal as the TH900 but that may be a bit too bright to recommend unconditionally.

    If I am wrong I don't mind being corrected but this is how I remember it.

    Nice to meet you....maybe....
     
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    Never heard the HEX (and not interested to), but I couldn't imagine more bass, more impact, and more slam then the Elear. The Elear is an abusive bitch...

    But keep in mind we know nothing about your gear. If you are using only a smartphone, and have no interest in headphone amplification, I might suspect the HEX would stand more of a punching chance...
     
    ButtUglyJeff, Sep 14, 2016
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    Thanks for the feedback I have got Geek Pulse Xfi desktop dac/amp with 2watts power and Chord Mojo and preference is to use mostly with Mojo
     
    Phoebus7, Sep 14, 2016
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    Thanks for your feedback and sorry I am first timer to this forum, I will add my details in introduction section.
     
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    My time with the HEX left much to be desired, however I have not tried the Elear yet. The HEX was good...if it was priced half of what it is now. I even preferred my 650 overall in tonality and micro detailing. That alone would make me consider the Elear before the HEX any day.
     
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    I really enjoyed the Elear w EDM, but the larger point is you would be better off in the end listening first before making a decision. If HEX ends up being better for you, you will surely be able to find one used for that price later on. And if it's Elear, then you didn't waste money by rushing in.
     
    Boops, Sep 14, 2016
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    1) They probably should
    2) To me, the K701 didn't EVAR sound better. But that's me...

    Best, Kevin
     
    k3oxkjo, Sep 14, 2016
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    If Audeze breaks in their drivers for testing and tweaking before production, they might break.

    Don't sweat it. HEX has even tonal balance, but will sound a bit soft from your sources. Bass is extended, but mushy and somewhat limp-dick. Bass sustains will be deep, but attacks will be like someone trying to hurt you with with a limp dick. HEX needs serious amping to get some wood; but even then, it will be more like 89 year old Hugh Hefner on Viagra instead of Rocco Siffredi at his prime.

    Elear is impactful, bassy, warm, and laid back, but with some sparkle at the top end. Elear also plays out microdetails more clearly and cleanly. Mojo won't have a problem driving Elear. Mojo's near 0 output Z and more neutral disposition provides good synergy for the Elear.
     
    purr1n, Sep 14, 2016
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    I am making balanced cables for both the Elear and the Utopia. Send a PM and I am more than happy to accommodate any of you guys.
     
    Kevin5236, Sep 14, 2016
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    As long as it's Eddie Current related, it's all good, right? :)
     
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  12. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    1. I don't solicit direct sales in gear discussion area. EC gear announcements and discussions are in the vendor area. I do not talk about EC gear in relation to other manufacturer's gear. You are not being treated differently.
    2. I am an unpaid intern at EC.
    3. This is my forum where I put in my hours, my sweat, and my blood. I can do whatever the f**k I want to do. I won't give you any Jude'esque "myriad of reasons" bullshit about it
    4. I don't know what your problem is considering that I just gave you an opportunity to carve out a section of this site to advertise your wares for FREE.
    5. For your snark, you are now banned. Smiley faces have a negative effect on me because of how they were used in disingenuous ways at HF. If you feel that you have been wrongfully banned, please contact @zerodeefex, @OJneg, or @The Alchemist for reinstatement.
     
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  14. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    I'm sure it would be far more difficult to tolerate that trolling, if EC stuff wasn't so awesome-sauce...
     
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  15. spoony

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    Hopefully someone will get to try the HM5 velour pads and report their findings.
     
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  16. Case

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    Their product page has Schiit amps pictured prominently. Just emailed Schiit...
     
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  17. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    Thanks for reminding me. Has anybody who auditioned the Elear tried it with any EC stuff? I know @Hands has a Super 7, but if anybody tries with a Zana Deux or ZDS please oh please share with the group...
     
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  18. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    I prefer to think that de-escalated quickly.
     
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  19. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Let's insert @Hands into the loaner tour for the Elear. I thought he might be getting his own, but this might not be the case anymore.
     
    purr1n, Sep 14, 2016
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  20. kevnin

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    I've had the Utopia for 2 weeks now. My chain is PC->Wyrd->SU-1->Gungnir Multibit->Kenzie->Utopia.

    I'm happy to hear that the midrange clarity issues I was having from my initial audition are gone. Guess I'll blame it on the subpar chain (QP1R->WA5).

    I think the Utopia is actually more resolving than HD800. I'm hearing more subtle nuances in the music than I'm used to.

    Soundstage is a little smaller than HD800, but not enough that it bothers me. For reference when listening to SR007 I tend to think "man I miss HD800 soundstage," but I don't think that with Utopia. In fact I don't think anything - just enjoy the music.

    To summarize at least to my ears - HD800 wins at soundstage and separation, Utopia wins at dynamics, bass (extension and quantity), resolution, and overall tonality. And importantly to me it at least matches HD800 in clarity.

    Based on this I have to reverse what I said earlier and declare Utopia the overall better headphone. Well done Focal!
     
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