@cskippy whoa. this EXACT pairing, and you perhaps having it first, was just discussed between myself and @Elnrik . why? my ears grew dissatisfied with Utopia and Af, mainly that Af didn't truly expand the headstage as much as hoped. and while bass "was there" there was not enough punch when the music called for it. Heck, the Utopia has the same narrow sound stage on Af as new LCD-XC, which is a closed headphone. thus have sold off the Utopia rather than continue feeling angst with an expensive headphone which I did could not love long term for the price. so a new possibility, Auteur. Once burn in and brain time allows, would appreciate your comparison between Utopia on Af, vs Auteur on Af. inquiring minds want to know. until then, I'm moving LCD-XC and Code-X around between Af and Saga+Vidar for fun.