Discussion in 'Vinyl Nutjob World: Turntable and Related Gear' started by JK47, Jan 12, 2016.
Thanks for setting me straight on the Denon. It is frustrating when the specs aren't standardized!
I found that if you need to add mass to an arm - its possible by using some BluTack/dynamat (for example) on the arm. Here's a picture of what I did:
I dont know how much it changed in terms of resonant frequency (rebalancing the arm using the counterweight showed me a 3.5g increase in weight, so technically it should have worked perfectly) but I found an immediate change in clarity in the lower registers and havent taken it off the arm since it went on.
Thank you for posting this.
In comparing this to Fremers files, this is easily the winner and should be for good reason. The percussion is the most realistic out of the three. Nothing gets lost in the complicated percussion sections. Discussing this with @Stapsy I thought I initially liked the Hana SL file the best upon first listening to the two, but we both kind of decided it was mostly attributed it to the tone being better suited to the HD800, which I've been listening to these three needledrops on this evening. The deal breaker here for me will likely come when I sit down to listen to the three on my speakers.
After listening to yours, the Hana sounds dead slow, and the Quintet isn't far off from being nearly as fast. I'd say the Hana sounds about 25% slower while the Quintet is only about 10-15% though the top end is a little much for the HD800, snares are almost too in your face and agro, but the mid and lower range are spot on and not muddied at all like the Hana. If each cart could be compared to a snare, the Zyx is a COB Supraphonic, the Quintet is an aluminum Supraphonic, while the Hana is a soft copper snare.
I will update with more impressions tomorrow. I will listen on my 2ch set up and I'll be demoing a Quintet Black paired with my Transcription for a good comparison. I'll bring some familiar LPs that I've been comparing today on my digital rig as a baseline.
Figured this would get more relevant viewers here than in the Deals thread...
Nagaoka owners: brand-new-in-box MP11 stylus (Boron version) for $CAD 35 here:
Note seller is newly registered and has no feedback.
I'm looking at possible sub-$1,000 mc cartridge upgrades for my pro-ject perspeX. I'm currently running the Sumiko Evo III that came bundled with it, mounted on the 9cc Evolution tonearm. I know I like Ortofon from past experience, so I'm looking at the Quintet series. I've also heard great things about the Zu-Denon dl-103 carts. My preferences are a slightly warm sound, with an extended top end. Any recommendations would be welcome.
I'd look at the Dynavector DV-20x2 (own, really like) or the Hana thats getting a lot of press lately (haven't heard). Both of these come in a high or low output so you can match up with whatever phono pre you're using. Your tonearm has a fairly low effective mass, so be sure to use the Vinyl Engine resonance calculator to help match things up.
I'm a big fan of the DL-103r, and in fact own a Zu version, but I bought it years ago and paid A LOT less than what they are asking now! In fact I was pretty shocked at the price when I just looked on their site! I heartily recommend the Denon to almost anyone to try out, but I would buy one off ebay, and then later buy an aluminum (or wood) body for it, mod it yourself, and save 5 or 6 hundred bucks for 99.9% of the performance. The Denon is great, but you can do much better for 1k. Don't forget the low output-.25mv.-so be sure your phono stage has enough gain, or buy an SUT.
That was helpful! Thanks dude. And yeah, I have a Lounge Copla SUT to push mc carts. . 25mv is really low!
I didn't even think of sending your own cart to Zu, that's a good idea. $1629 for a 103r w/stock stylus and cantelever is insanity.
Great drop on Ortofon cartridges: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ortofon-2m-phono-cartridges?mode=guest_open
Thats a crazy good deal on the Black, and ships at the end of this month.
I looked around and couldn't even find the replacement stylus for less.
I don't think anyone has mentioned Audio Technica. In the past they have had a reputation for being a bit bright but their more expensive cartridges are up there with way more expensive ones.
My first plunge into MCs was after years of cautious observation - the 33EV, nothing to criticise at all from top to bottom, some say slighty dark, certainly not bright at all. Plays all kinds of music so well. Emotion PRAT, tracks like a train, no surface noise. I bought mine for $399 when the £/US$ rate was @ $1.70, at that price a steal. It's fair to say that it graphically justifies the move from MM to MC.
However I am thinking of changing to something else - the ART 9. as good as the 33EV is - well, read the user reviews. It can be bought from a reputable German seller @ $860 to anyone outside the EU. Like I say, read the user reviews.
The AT440ML has been talked about plenty of times on this thread. Although it is worth mentioning that this cart is no longer produced and that Audio-Technica now recommends the VM540ML as a substitute. It has all the same specs and I believe it's cheaper too.
Missed out on that fantastic deal, but ended up going with the KAB Concorde pro s with 40 fritz geiger stylus, as it's essentially setup for a 1200.
Heads up if you guys haven't read it yet... Shure is ceasing production of phono carts this summer.
I picked up 4 spare M44-7 for my DJ gigs. Should last at least through the next 4 years or so at which time I'm hoping somebody I can find a good alternative or at least a good replacement stylus as I don't like Ortofon's DJ line. (haven't tried the brand new ones though; may be better)
I wish they would have brought the V15 back but I guess all the know how is long gone... what a bummer.
I expect a run on DJ cartrdiges considering that Stanton is also being wound down according to the Gibson backruptcy annoucement yesterday.
The Nagaoka praise is over 9000 here:
I love my MP110 but the setup probably just worked better with the Nag, I dont believe someone coming out and saying the Ortofon Bronze kept getting "destroyed" by everything on the table. I would have loved to see the Hana EL/EH thrown in there as well though
I really like the HiVinyl guy but I feel he often gets duped by the "brighter is better" or "more bass is better" (ex: his love for the Mani) hifi fallacy.
Mostly I hear the 200 has way more treble (is this correct? I don't know!) and is much faster (can't argue there) and there are some big staging differences with the 200 sounding like it has a better stage. The 200 also sounds like it might piss you off on non audiophile recordings with a bit of midrange push and that possibly hyped treble... The Bronze, despite being weaker technically, sounds more "natural" to me.
So I ripped the audio to confirm my ears and sure enough 200 is up about 3dB past 10K and stays there (vs the Bronze) and there is a huge channel balance difference between the two carts. Which one is reproducing whats on the disc better without adding too much color? This is what I want to know.
I use the AT 33EV and I'm going to go for the AT ART 9. The AT MCs are great and out perform a lot of much higher priced competition. The 33EV has no brightness issues, is slightly warm, great bass and mids, really there is nothing to dislike at all. Check out the ART 9 user reviews on Audiogon. I think it is available for around $860.
Just a quick one guys, I bit the bullet and grabbed a VPI Classic 1 that was for sale near me (the only one I've seen for years). It hasn't arrived yet but I've completely blown the budget and now I need a cheap cart and phono cable. I'm going to grab a Blue Jeans LC-1 with ground wire and was thinking a Nagaoka MP-110 for around $150. Before I pull the trigger, are there any other carts to consider at the $100-150 mark? This will just be until I can get myself a decent MC cart and MC phono stage so not a permanent solution but I still want something decent.
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