Senneheiser HD660S Impressions

Come now, hearing the higher string harmonics is overrated.

 

The way I see it you´ve done that a very long time ago already and the success of this site has only fueled your ego further. But look, this is your site and you are entitled to run it however you want. I´m just a guest here. We are obviously nowhere near the same wavelength on a lot of issues. I only post these days when there is something interesting happening in the headphone world (such as HD 660 S), but otherwise I´ve been more or less done with this hobby for a long time already. I´ll take my future posts elsewhere instead as I don´t really support the vision you have for this site.

 

Marvey conveyed something like this: "agree to disagree and move on."

That is how this forum works. You contributed interesting impressions and people appreciated that. A small disagreement should not have to lead to "okay, f**k it I am out of here."

Please take it easy.

 

For the record I´ve had my doubts about the atmosphere here for a long time already and never intended to become a regular here to begin with. My issue is more with the general tone and style certain issues are addressed here, as well as some aspects of the overall prevailing philosophy. I get that many people love it and that´s fine, but it´s not for me. No need for drama - enjoy the hobby.

 

You've raised some very valid points. But I think your suggestion to "listen to neutral speakers" just opens up a whole other can of worms. I've found that the degree of speaker toe-in can have a significant impact on the perceived brightness of the speakers I've listened to. Not to mention all the other variables that are a factor, many of which are not an issue with headphones!

Anyhow, I see irony in the fact that several well thought out posts have been made regarding the neutrality of one headphone vs the other, and then the suggestion here is to use "neutral speakers" to break the tie.

 

Since I was admonished for discussing neutrality in this thread, can you point to a discussion on this topic? Since I both listen to and record music, I'm genuinely interested in what others consider to be a neutral sound. Is this the best one: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/what-is-neutral-frequency-response.18/

 

For those who don't find themselves being included in the "neutral" club, remember that it's always possible to calibrate one's review like a negative picture.

EDIT : moreover, contradictory point of views are more interesting than a sea of identical views, by being thought provoking. It's all a matter of proper argumentating instead of arguing.

 

Reference is a necessary evil, no way around it. You said it the way I would have Marvey, the proverbial shit hits the fan when absolute (reference) is defined by relative (preference).

We need as much treble fuckery as we need bass wankery and midrange bigotery.

 

Crossposting led to misunderstanding here, I am talking preference, not csd.

 

Well, this thread turned into a shit-show.

 

The LS50 are bright in general, not because a 'flat FR' is bright (they aren't flat).

 

There is truth to this.

I have a friend who has been a studio recording engineer since the 80's. When I get a chance, I talk to him about headphones and I ask him about his take on neutrality, sound signatures, opinion on headphones of one kind or another, etc. Based on this, I am slowly calibrating my own listening to learn how to hear certain things that hears easily.

I find that interacting on forums is valuable in this respect as well but its much more difficult due to the lack of actual face-to-face conversations with a reliance on text. Aside from that, the prevailing opinion on a certain topic is informative and can be used to aid in calibration of listening ability. What matters in this is who is setting the direction and how consensus is built. This is related to listening experience, etc.

I don't really know anyone here, nor do I know much about their listening experience, but certain topics seem to lead to the same shared answer from various people. This is valuable, to me at least. I can't yet say if this is an intellectual echo chamber or not, but so far it seems pretty good on this site.