Jude E-peens Tyll and Gaslights Us with Alternative Facts

Maybe we should report it...

 

I see six mentions in that thread at the moment. Either I have pages cached or maybe automation is another thing messed up since the platform move.

 

Hello Admins,

You have SBAF being mentioned on your forum. I don't like that.

Sincerely,
frenchbat (SBAF member)

 

I could probably ask jude, since he follows me.

 

Perhaps it's an insider conspiracy to take down HF. Mention SBAF enough, and it all comes crashing down. Perhaps there is a coup attempt in the works!

 

I would think that it would have to make people curious about SBAF. (I just googled SBAF and www.superbestaudiofriends.org was the top hit.)

 

This sort of stuff doesn't seem to make sense under the make more money banner. There seems to be a large brain-washed flock in that place, who might be cheering Jude on when he craps in the shop, but the wider picture, surely, is that crapping in the shop is not good for business. If he pulls this kind of muck chucking too often, all but the most faithful are going to get the bad smell. Beginning to look like a case of ego potentially defeating wallet? Path to self destruction?

creepy!

 

Tyll naturally prefers neutral phones though. He's said in some of his reviews that he dislikes north of neutral bass.

The thread is getting pretty juicy. One guy told another guy to get his head out of Judes Ass Crack

 

Actually, in quite a few separate articles and reviews, he has stated a preference for warmer phones. He believes reference headphones should be neutral-ish, but he definitely digs a warm sound for general listening.

 

I suspect that the HF readership is mostly those that chug the Kool-Aid by the gallon. Those that think for themselves eventually realize what is afoot with HF and move on elsewhere, or apply a massive internal filter to the storm surge of BS that flows throughout the site.

 

LOL I just love the topic phrase of this thread. Haha.

Carry on.

 

I got into this hobby when I was in high school, just months before the original HD800's release rocked everyone's socks into tumbler-dryer Oblivion, and while that's not too far back I can at least remember a time when "statement" cans a la the OG Orpheus and the legendary R10 were the exception, not the rule.

That you need to spend so much more for good sound and are pressured into doing so is the single saddest thing about the state of the hobby, I feel, apart from legitimate criticism being drowned out by sponsor-induced vitriol and people fearing buyer's remorse. While I did love HF for a good few years (thankfully before I had any real money to burn) and still appreciate it as a place for people to meet up and basically geek out over audio gear and music, I've long since learned to take everything there with a FRIGGIN HUGE ™ chunk of rock salt.

I wouldn't be as pissed at the guy who said Mr. Hertsens was just trying to draw attention to himself/InnerFidelity with "a negative review of an otherwise universally well-loved headphone" if he were new to the hobby, but f'ing fajitas, that dude seems to have been around for ages.

Also, what's this about SBAF getting to tell Tyll the things (alliteration?) he should put into his reviews? Am I missing something here? If so, there's this pair of cans I really want more people to like to validate my sense of insecurity and give me that warm, fuzzy feeling of having people agree with me. Whose hands do I have to grease, huh? /S

But really, this is a shitshow. I didn't hate the Sonys (disclaimer, demoed at a Sony store which was teacher not in class-quiet) , but even though there were a lot of things I didn't like about the Elear, I much preferred it, or would likely have gotten a modded HD800 + source upgrade if I'd that much cash to burn.

Also, @superlowfi, yeah I get why there's a general hint of "decided by committee" whenever someone pans a product, but such is simply human nature. One night argue that there's no real good or bad in the world, merely that which aligns or deviates from what one desires. I like bass, but not too much of it, which is why I felt the Z1Rs weren't quite the thing for me. Bassheads may disagree given the otherwise great technicalities of the headphone; whether one may achieve that same level of technicality with a similar sound profile for less is a matter I am ignorant of. My current evaluation of the new flagship is the same as that of their previous one, the MDR-Z7: holy f'ing falafels these are BEAUTIFULLY made, but the sound isn't for me.

 

I'm not gonna get agitated for things i can't afford anyway. Regardless of whether it's real good or not, Imma just sit at the corner, listening to my cheap earbuds, and watch the drama. This is a great case study for PR (in audio world).

 

For some more foolishness out of TSAVJason read this, https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/focal-elear-impressions-thread.811961/page-226#post-13554283
He goes out of his way to flat out lie, and deny what was already stated on that thread, and reiterated by my self. Thankfully, another member swiftly quoted Focal directly and put him back in his place.

Yup she was brainwashed by the DaiLee [or how ever you spell of and great mention of ATLAB], an upon her failure the secret police for the city promptly removed her and replaced her.

Back on/off topic and @superlowfi, I've been here for around 2 years, since Nov of 2015. When I got active again this year I got hit with 13 dislikes... and a LOT of nasty criticism, didn't bother me. I enjoy reading here and insults are only a chance for me to grow. I'm in the business of being insulted, so if you genuinely interested in learning something about this hobby, this industry I'd keep asking questions and don't take the insults personally. I cater to both the "average listener" and make an attempt at contributing to elitists here. Because the reality is, I'm an Elitist... I hate cheap stuff, and I hate paying more money for something than what it's worth retaliative to the competition. I'm also a cheap f**k who has a lot of nice things and a family to care for. So when I want to make a purchase I don't care what the price is, I just want the BEST FOR MY MONEY. Period, speaking of the JDS Labs The Element... No I won't ever buy one not for me, nor will I recommend here either. There is a place for every one and everything. Head Fi and Reddit are nice places to go and help the average listener and I enjoy contributing there, I enjoying helping people who have needs different than mine. Here only the best of the best matter, and I enjoy that. Even if they find me annoying, I still enjoy reading and contributing here, an I hope that you continue to participate with us here.

Back on the subject of Jude, I'm happy to see that thread doesn't have it's BIG FRONT PAGE spot any more. There's other stuff there finally, which is of benefit to the community at HF. Also @Marvey, great post from your father. To be content to have enough, and be thankful if you have even just a little more than enough!

Hopefully we continue to grow here, and maybe another voice for the "average" listener will pop up before Head Fi starts hurt the average listener even more. I never felt it did, nothing I bought on HF recommendation I wound up regretting, well...I take that back. I hated the Mr. Speakers Mad Dog... sounded terrible out of my cheap tube back in the day... that was a Hype Train recommendation [and a quick return]. But HF has plenty of people who still recommend good stuff, took me weeks to find out about the W1000X there AND find @Marvey mods for it, and I still have that headphone 4 years later! So I'm hoping to keep chugging it out at HF and try to bridge the two worlds... as really I'd love a site for every one. I'd love a community that catered to every one, I'd hope Head Fi was that place but more and more I'm seeing that it's not...

as far as the MDR Z1R, I'd love to hear it... and I liked bass heavy phones back in the day. So I'm curious to see what I think about it, as I really want to hear and experience it all

as far as ownership goes... I don't nor wouldn't spend thousands on a bass heavy can. My little HD 25-1 ii with my hm601 and some RockBox EQ makes me smile when I listen to EDM on it! An I listen to EDM to have waves of bass assault the sides of my face which the HD 25-1 II does... kinda, other wise I want to appreciate the music as a whole, hear the work the artists did, hear the work the recording engineers did, hear the work the recording studio or concert hall put into building their structure. I want to hear everything, and I don't want too much of ANYTHING, that's what I want when I drop $1000 on audio gear, and for the most part that's what I've gotten....

 

This:

Let's say the Z1R is not objectively superior to cheaper headphones. Then, what makes it subjectively worth so much more? The fact that it has a unique sound? Somehow, that feels like an incredibly low bar for accepting such a gross markup. Hence, undiscerning. Are people so desperate to get a sound that is "just so" that they are willing to pay any price?

 

Man, some of the vitriol about SBAF by Sonic Defender is just outright bizarre to me. There's no groupthink or elitism based on products. The "elitism" comes from having a high regard for critical thinkers (and ears). If you've worked in any sort of technical industry, you can usually tell within a few minutes whether someone is technically competent or is bullshitting. We have a low tolerance for the latter here. People like myself who lack golden ears, audio training or wider experience do our best to share honest opinions while acknowledging our limits; try to keep the broader perspective in mind so as to not falsely exaggerate differences in equipment or setups.

That purposeful wider perspective, or reputation, means glowing or harsh words hold weight. How many times has Marv told people to just get something cheap and be done with it? You don't see much of that in certain audio communities. Inexperienced or outright inept users are often presented elsewhere at the same volume as experienced members (or higher, really, since many won't even waste their time trying to be heard amongst the yellings), but this shouldn't be if objectivity or even honesty are a goal. Experts are easy to spot once you meet a few. What percentage of expert users do you encounter on other forums versus here?

My take is this: if you think SBAF is needlessly elitist, you're probably not a critical thinker. Alternatively, you have an ego that cannot stand being humble towards anyone who may know more than yourself. There's oodles of genuinely useful information here, and sharp minds to pick, if you can simply not be a dick.

 

Its 105% a Z7 with better dampening. Maybe someone like @Marvey with elite gear can get more out of the Z1R then I can. But they are basically tuned the same. And that should bother some, it sure as hell does me. What, throw some fixes based on the Z7 issues, with exotic materials, and call it a day?

And Jude wants to cloud all that because people might spend less $$$...

@Tyll Hertsens didn't want to review the Z7, and I bet he regrets (well maybe just a little) touching the Z1R

 

Great, so should Koss roll out the PortaPro mk ii at $2999.99? I don't claim to speak for anyone else, but instinctively, that feels wrong.

In other words, it's as much about how hard it is to get that unique sound as the fact that the sound is unique.