Roon Discussion

I think because in the Qobuz app you can choose a maximum resolution for playback, and then Qobuz will automatically choose the album version that doesn't exceed your selected resolution.

 

No, it's configured to play with BubbleUpnP and airplay. I only use airplay for music discovery radio like this when I'm not really listening that closely. Otherwise I play albums from my Samsung S10e using upnp.

Can you tell me more about this delay? Does MoOde have that too? I have MoOde setup for my headphone rig pi2AES and RopieXL for. my speakers Pi2AES because I couldnt get MoOde to work. Whenever I play an album in MoOde, it cuts out the first second of the first song, and I have to hit play album again because it pisses me off missing the first notes. Maybe this belongs in the other thread though, or in a pm to @Metro who always knows what's wrong.

 

Since you have roon, why not use the Roon Remote to play everything including radio? If the radio supports metadata (Live Radio -> Naim Music/Jazz/Classical, for example), one can even click on the currently playing track to go down the music discovery rabbit hole.

The 1.x sec delay was what got me started with Roon. The click is the relay switch in the Yggdrasil due to sample rate changes. I used to play only 44/16 content via BubbleUPnP to avoid the click. I am not aware of any mpd-based player that allows such a setting(including Moode, Volumio, etc).

 

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/roon-2-0-28-is-live/

Big news is now it doesn't need an internet connection to work anymore/again.

Apparently this was done because when Harman bought them they told them to refocus on their core audience?

 

@crenca you happy now?

In other news: Lets see if they do anything to stop the Apple Silicon Memory Leaks.

 

Now all they need is to allow remote access to the roon server (so I can use roon on my office setup)... like I am able to hit plex when away from home.

 

As I mentioned elsewhere, these companies do "short sighted" things to "grow the base" and forgetting that the idea is to "grow revenue." I'm sure (like, 90%) that Harman told them to stop chasing markets that don't buy and focus on the one(s) that do.

The blog just about literally says that. Good news, from my PoV, because I don't use streaming services to access music.

The blog also says they're going to focus on things they've ignored too long (presumably in favor of the features to attract non-paying customers :facepalm: ) like reliability and performance

 

I'm happy happy joy joy!!

Like artur9 says, the move to a "cloud service" model seemed to about things me and most "audiophiles", who spend real $, are not interested in - or at least counter to my interests/needs...but what do I know I'm an old fart less than a decade away from more than a few senior citizen discounts.

 

If ARC is insufficient for your purposes there the easiest way to do it is via a modern VPN, like ZeroTier.

Set up ZT on your router or lan - https://docs.zerotier.com/integrating-physical-networks/ - then install the client on any phone/pc that needs access.

It can be blocked by your work network, but so can any method ROON integrates and running your own widely-used secure VPN like ZT is going to be a whole lot more secure and supported.

Especially since what apps commonly do these days is just build in a slightly old and out of date version of ZeroTier.

However keep in mind the raw LAN ROON protocol is very latency sensitive, so ARC in native quality mode is way more reliable.

 

Oh and ofc you can download the music to the ARC client if your work network is so secure it blocks the VPN tunnel.

 

The main problem with ARC is that it seems to wants to only play directly on a mobile device (unless that has changed since I originally gave it a shot). My office system a Pi2AES to a Yggdrasil to a Studio B. I could not figure out a way to get ARC to feed that system. (similarly, I have another remote system that is a Pi2AES to SFD-1 to a 3F). Secondary issues

• I find ARC remarkably unstable when trying to use it on a mobile device (either with downloaded content or streamed content).
• I hate the interface... I want the roon interface in the secondary locations, but I shouldn't need 3 subscriptions to use Roon in all 3 locations.

I've tried setting up a VPN in the past, but have been unsuccesful getting thru the office firewall. I have not tried to set up a vpn in the other location... but seriously, I shouldn't need to be a network expert to get this to work.

I can hit my PLEX server at home from all 3 locations... I'm looking for the same functionality out of Roon, which is only feeding audio, not high bandwidth video like Plex (I can stream 4k from my home server thru the firewall at the office and its just like I'm sitting at home). I want the same experience for audio using Roon.

(FWIW, I've tried using plex for audio, but I just can't stand the interface... and I don't think it can feed my audio systems anyway... unless I go computer to DAC via USB)

 

You don't need 3 Roon subscriptions for this use case. You can have all three installations but only one can be active at a time.

 

hmmm... so I need 3 roon server installations? one in each location (along with the library in all three locations... which I'm already dealing with, but would love to avoid).

What determines whether an installation is "active". Turn the server off? That could work for the remote location, since I'm typically either there or at home. However, my roon server is also my plex server, so powering down at home means I can't hit Plex from the remote location (unless I can set up 2 plex servers... I'm not sure Plex will do that... or build a dedicated plex server at home).

But... I'm not sure I want to deal with this approach at the office and have to remember to power down the server every day when I leave one location for the other.

Also not sure I want to build/maintain that many additional servers (total of 3 roon servers and a separate plex server)

 

When you change the Roon server in the Roon client the other servers get inactivated. You can do this by going to Settings - General - Disconnect (On the top right corner of the Roon Server section). But that only really applies if you have mulitple Roon servers on the same LAN.

In your case when you start playing content at one location the others logged into the same subscription will be kicked off. This is all seamless. You don't need to power the server off. You can leave them all effectively on standby.

I let my dad use my Roon subscription at his house and his own Tidal account (I have Qobuz/Local Files). He just asks me if I'm listening before he starts and if he wants to I stay off mine and use a different source.

 

I'm going to have to give that a shot... I have a synology nas at the office that I can handle roon server. So when I fire up music on my pi2aes as the office, it automagically deactivates the server at home... and when I get home and fire up music on my home pi2aes, it automagically deactivates the server at the office?

That would be perfect (everything I've found in the roon community talks about VPNs, or lugging machines between locations, or having to restore backups, or etc).
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to clarify... when I say "fire up music", I mean to start the remote app on my tablet/phone. No fiddling with anything else... starting the remote app in a location automagically activates the server locally and deactivates the other location

 

They are separate installations so listening history, Roon radio, new album recommendations, daily mixes, and other listening data are all separate too. Maybe that's why some people will VPN or transport servers, I don't know.

Edit: Linking to Roon's KB:

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...here_can_I_see_what_Roon_subscriptions_I_have

The salient information from the above website:

Can my Roon subscription be used in more than one location?
Yes! If you only have one Roon subscription, you can simply log in to Roon at any location, and Roon will prompt you to unauthorize the previously active installation. However, you can't run Roon in two locations at the same time with only one subscription.

If you would like to run Roon in two (or more) locations concurrently, you will need to purchase an additional subscription(s) so you can run a new Roon Server in another location.

 

That's not a problem for my use case - I'm not trying to keep the listener data sync'd... I am just looking for the same interface, ease of use, etc.

I'm going to upgrade the amount of memory in the nas and hopefully try this early next week. Thanks!

 

I do this "all the time." I have two roon installs, one here and one there, physically different networks.

When I run the roon app on iphone here after being there, the app says "can't find the there server, use a different one?" Then I pick the here server. Then it says, here is not authorized, deauthorize there? I say yes and start listening to music.

No powering down anything or restarting anything other than the iPhone app.

 

The one downfall with this is you have your listening history split across two separate Roon databases. That may or may not matter depending on how you use it.

 

I mean you can copy the databases back and forth with backup-restore but it's an enormous pain in the ass to do on the reg.