Grado Love or the RS2 (TTVJ Deluxe Pad) Appreciation Thread

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  1. SnowPuppy

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    About 4 years ago I was willing to spend up to $2k or more for a headphone upgrade over my Grado RS1. I was convinced that the Audeze LCDX or LCD3 was what I wanted. I went to a local dealer that had a very neat headphone nook with several headphone amps and all the Audeze headphones there for audition. I was very exited and fully expecting to bring home a pair that day. When I heard the LCD3 and LCDX they were amazingly better than my Grados when it comes to deep bass extension. And it was not just bass quantity but also excellent quality. However as they increased in frequency their qualities decreased. The mids and highs were simply not as detailed and insightful as my Grado RS1. Nor did sound as alive as my Grados. So despite the RS1 faults and the fact that the Audeze performed much better in some ways. I was not about to spend that much money on a pair of headphones that did not have the detail in the mids and highs I was accustomed to. This lead me to audition the HD800S and I knew I had found my upgrade. Now the HD800S do not have the incredible sub bass of the LCD3 but when it comes to about everything else, staging detail timbre, the HD800S are better IHMO. I also found the LCD headphones heavy and uncomfortable leaving the top of my head sore. For me the HD800S are good all rounders and excel with orchestral music and much to my surprise progressive rock. My Grado RS1s excel with small ensemble acoustic music. I do not like them as much for orchestra or even progressive rock. I find they get congested when things get too complicated. I have not heard some of the pricier Grados like the GS3000 but it would not surprise me if they held their own in their price range. Some reviews indicate they are amazing. I do now know that before I get a new pair of Grados that I need to try the TTVJ pads on my current ones first. Perhaps they will make them more than a niche headphone for small ensemble acoustic in my collection.

    My Dad has a pair of Senn 650 and when I heard them I finally understood what is meant by the Senn veil with these. While they have their merits I would rather listen to a pair the much cheaper Grado SR80 out of a portable DAP any day of the week. But that is just based on my personal listening preference. That said I know some when they get the 650 paired with the right amp it fits their listening preference like a glove. And I consider them blessed.




    Mini Rant:

    So if some of you do not understand the appeal of Grados I get it. But to run them down in such a crude manner reveals your ignorance and lack of respect.
     
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  2. Lyander

    Lyander Too sensitive for SBAF

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    Revisiting this thread and just remembered to say: the TTVJ Deluxe measurements look absolutely grand, but I'm a bit more curious as to what the Frigg those stratocaster pads are— just FR, but they might actually be right up my alley tonality-wise, moreso than the vintage RS1 :))
     
  3. YMO

    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    Ah, the Pizza Box that holds the RS2es with the TTVJ Flats. I got into the audio game with a pair of the SR225i about a decade ago. Back then I was a gaming nerd and someone on a gaming forum told me to get a pair of the SR225i. I did just that, and never looked back. I enjoyed music all of my life, and this pair of the SR225i took me to the next level.

    For many years I was in Grado land. I heard the HD600 years back and I thought it was too veiled for my taste. I loved the Grados since they were really lightweight. However, overtime I realized that their headphone design suck donkey nuts, the highs/treble was getting on my nerves, you are not able to swap out their hard wired cable, and the build qualify for the price is just horrible. It’s a shame, I like to support local Brooklyn businesses. I was born in Brooklyn, so I have a soft spot for the small family run businesses who should be getting priced out of Brooklyn sooner or later. I guess the Grado family owns the building that they build their stuff in, which helps them A LOT on the price of their headphones/cartridges. If you didn’t know, NYC Retail Estate and Property Taxes are no joke on the cost.

    After trying out other headphones, I stop caring about the Grados. I never tried the TTVJ Flats before. I also owed the RS2e years back as a basic fun headphone. After a while, the comfort was becoming a problem with the L-Pads.

    So the Pizza Box arrived, which was a lot smaller than the Pizza Boxes Grado was using for their headphones years back. They need to cut cost somehow, but the Pizza Box works.

    After trying them out for a bit, I can see the full appeal of the RS2e with the TTVJ Flats. My biggest issue of the RS2e with the L-Pads was the out of control treble and comfort. The treble was the biggest problem, I thought the lower treble was like needles to my ears. On top of that I’ll get a headache after wearing them for about an hour. Out of control treble, terrible comfort, and headaches? Yeah, you’ll see why I can’t really do Grados going forwards.

    However, I do like to be proven wrong at times. I later got a pair of the HD600 and I fell in love with it. I stated earlier that I thought it was too veiled for my taste. And for the most part I don’t think that is the case. However, Grados is like hearing stuff raw up in yo face, while I think the HD600 is a few inches away from the material. As I am getting older I prefer stuff that isn’t too close for my ears on a sense of depth. In other words, I used to enjoy sitting in the front row seats (Grados), but now I prefer row 4 or 5 (HD600).

    Besides seeing the appeal of the RS2es with the Flats, man Judas Priest and my leather daddy Rob Halford sounds good on this. Yes, the stage is smallish on most Grados (however, the ZDT Jr. with the GE JAN green label tubes in the front the stage went up a hair with better bass response). However, the treble isn’t shit. It is mostly in a region of lowness that it doesn’t annoy me with the sound. I can crank up that shit to 11 and be happy blasting Metallica – Kill ‘Em All or Judas Priest – Stained Class. The Grado mids are still there, the treble is relaxed to good levels that I don’t want to kill myself, and there’s enough bass response for those hard hitting moments.

    Jazz stuff is also great on this as well. Wes Montgomery – SO Much Guitar! and Weather Report – Tales Spinning works pretty well on this setup. The close nature of the sound of the RS2e really helps here. Maybe the RS2e with the Flats will not bring out all the details in the background of SO Much Gutiar! I heard more details from that album when running the HD600 to the ZDT Jr, I think this is due to better staging, I dunno. However, the upfront nature of the RS2e gave that album a different “viewpoint” that I like.

    If you want to try Electronic Music or something with heavy subbass impact, prepare to give this one a thumbs downs. Bass is good as is, but play anything from Depeche Mode and prepare to be disappointed if you jizz on subbass. The Grados were aimed at least IMO for Rock, Folk, and Jazz. These are a specialist headphone for certain genres, and to me they are not designed for plenty of types of music.

    The Flats fixed the SOUND part of the RS2e. On the sound part I would give them a limited recommendation. When I said limited, I really mean it.


    Too bad the comfort with the Flats sucks donkey nuts!!!!!!

    Yes, as I stated earlier I hated the Grados after a while because on my end the comfort sucks nuts. @elmoe was right, the TTVJ Flats is not even close to being comfortable to wear on your head. I think the sound/comfort tradeoff at least to me is not worth it. What’s the point when listening to the RS2e with the Flats when after five minutes your head is hurting like hell. I had to get some pills so my headaches goes away. These are SO TERRIBLE on comfort that I said enough is enough after a few minutes at a time. I been doing this for hours so I can really do the impressions here in a honest way. I even tried to do some headband adjustments, and even adjusted how I was wearing them. No dice, these things hurts my head like it was going to pop open my head.

    The biggest problem of the comfort par was how non-comfortable are the Flats. On my previous Grado experiences having the drivers almost touching my ears caused enough ear pressure issues for me. These are no different. In order to tame down the treble, a lot of the foam was removed if we are comparing it to the L-Pads. On headphones, comfort is actually my #1 goal. I will at times get something that may not be number #1 in specs if it means #1 in comfort.

    And when I opened up the Pizza Box, I LOLed because I’m like these shouldn’t cost $495. They feel like $200 MAX.

    Sorry Grado Family, but I moved on. I still like the sound of their phono cartridges. With that being said, before you write off owning a Grado can I would recommend you give these a shot. I see why people like @purr1n really love the RS2e after putting on the Flats.

    But...I...can’t...handle...these...after...a...few...minutes...or...else...Advil….Pills….Water….Shit….my….head….hurt...damn.
     
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    Inspired by this thread I bought a used pair of SR80i headphones off eBay for cheap. I came close to buying the SR80 several times years ago but ultimately decided against the idea every time for one reason or another. After living with the SR80 for a couple weeks and dropping the cash for some TTVJ Deluxe Flat Pads I figured I would offer up some impressions.

    Chain: Gen 5 USB > Schiit Bifrost 4490 > Bottlehead S.E.X. 3.0 > HD650 (No rear damping + Dynamat) / SR80i

    I exclusively listened to metal and rock music for these impressions. Pretty much 95% of my listening is metal and rock, so YMMV, etc.

    SR80 with stock S Cushions:

    Vocals clear and up-front. Guitars are edgy. Percussion is snappy. Makes for an exciting listen. There is some mid-bass punch but bass in general is a little distant sounding and appears disjointed with the mids. Cymbals lack a bit of sustain and can be a little peaky. Decent head stage, but a little closed-in sounding. Microdynamics and refinement a little lacking. Mids and treble are definitely emphasized over the bass—upward tilting frequency response is evident. Sounds relatively lean.

    Comparing this configuration to the HD650, the SR80 sounds very lean and lacking body due to the lower bass level. Bass extension is better on the HD650. The mids on the SR80 are definitely the focal point and offer up a bit of excitement but aren’t quite as smooth and refined as on the HD650. Treble isn’t sharp on the SR80, but the HD650 is still smoother here. The sense of openness and microdynamics is clearly superior on the HD650, but the headstage size and shape is pretty similar. SR80 stage is slightly closer, though.

    SR80 with Deluxe Flats:

    Coming from the S cushions the mids are still emphasized but there is a better sense of clarity and openness. Cymbals have slightly better sense of sustain and don’t sound as peaky. Microdynamics increased a smidge. Bass is fuller and sounds better integrated with the mids. Overall a much more balanced sound that doesn’t fatigue me even at moderate volumes. The added clarity gives a better sense of engagement for me as well.

    Compared to the HD650, the SR80 with deluxe flats still falls behind in terms of microdynamics and resolution with the HD650 sounding more refined with better layering but the SR80 is now much closer to the HD650 in tone. Still mid-foward compared to the HD650 lending excitement to the response. The deluxe pads also bring the SR80 close to the HD650 in terms of openness but the SR80 is still more in-your-face stage wise.

    Conclusion:

    I was starting to feel a little bored with the HD650 when I wanted to rock out and get into the music; the SR80 scratches that itch when the need arises. If I listen critically the HD650 easily wins in terms of technicalities. However, if I just sit down and listen to the music the SR80 is hard for me to put down. It just draws me in more and makes me want to keep listening. I find myself connecting to the music more. Now that I have the flats on the SR80 the only things I consistently find myself missing about the HD650 is the better bass extension, microdynamics and resolution. It is looking like the RS2e can close that gap, so I guess it is time to start saving. Certainly looking forward to more impressions from the loaner tour of the RS2e.

    Thanks for starting this thread, @purr1n. If it hadn’t been for this, I’d probably not have given Grado’s a chance. Turns out I'm glad I finally gave Grado a shot after all these years.

    Quick note on comfort:
    I must have weird ears, because I find the flats more comfortable than the S cushions. What kills me after a while is the crappy headband, but I’ve always been sensitive to pressure on the top of my head (THE biggest reason I dumped the K702—I couldn’t STAND having that thing and it’s damned bumpy strap on my head for more than 20 minutes).
     
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  6. YMO

    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    The headband that was on the loaner RS2e appears to not be the nicer one. I could be wrong though.
     
  7. purr1n

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    It's the nicer one. Only but a little bit nicer (slightly more padding) than the headband of the SR-80.

    I too dislike the stock bowl pads. The flat pads are better for me. Regardless, these are all supraaural (over the ear) so may not be as comfortable as around the ear once you are used to HD600/HD800, etc. It's one of those things you have to get used to.

    As far as headband comfort, one can consider a Beyer headband for it:
    https://www.amazon.com/Headband-Replacement-Beyerdynamic-DT880PRO-Sennheiser/dp/B01LZEDQXJ/

    I may pick up an SR125 or SR225 and see how far the performance falls behind the RS-2.
     
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  8. YMO

    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    Bought @pure5152 Grado HF3. He preferred them to RS2e. Initial impressions are they are more weighty and refined sounding compared to the 225e, but still too bright. Reverse bowls help but don't fix. Need deluxe flats. @purr1n PM if you'd like to borrow.:

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    My Symphones v9 (part2) were just finished then sent to @cskippy and @Hands for measurements. Unfortunately, wired out of phase but Hands generously said he'll fix, and initial frequency response graph looks a lot like an RS2e with a bump in bass. I don't think TTVJ deluxe flats will work due to protrusion of driver grill mesh.:

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    Grado RS2e with TTVJ Deluxe Flat Pads Loaner Impressions:

    Since I am stressed at work and busy at home, I had a limited window of time to listen and move these on.
    I decided to use the most convenient and affordable chain I own which is Redbook FLACs/Qobuz --> Roon --> USB Modi 3 --> Asgard 3. I compared and fiddled with my circa 1995 modded SR80.

    I am going to split this into two sections:

    1) Praise for @purr1n for putting this combination together, writing about it and then sending it out as proof of concept.
    2) Crapping on Grado for their overpriced headphones, fit, finish, box, etc.

    First, the positives.

    Marv has another relatively low cost winner here along with HD650 KISS Mod. The combination of the more revealing (read as no veil) RS2e in combination with the TTVJ Deluxe flat pads offers a more neutral take on Grado sound. This means exactly what has been said earlier that this combination should appeal to more SBAFers that like a-closer-to-neutral and livelier sound. As the Asgard 3 warmed up (I left it on overnight) the bass tightened up and the combination with the Grado loaner gave a pretty detailed stage with very decent layering. This is easily more impressive than HD6XX (stock) which still had tubbier bass, noticeable veil in comparison and blobbier headstage.

    I wanted to tease out how much of an effect the TTVJ pads have on the normally brighter Grado sound. I wish the stock pads were included in the loaner to help here. Luckily, I have an old-skool Grado SR80 with worn-out pads ready to go. Please note, I modded my pair by back venting the driver, etc. Please see here for the mods I did. After the mods my SR80's are more bassy than stock. Putting the TTVJ pads on my SR80's seemed to accentuate the bass a little but integrated it better by making the frequency response seem less U shaped. I also recommend that you see @SeanT excellent post above with his stock SR80's. I like these pads a lot for how they shape the frequency response.

    Now, I must acknowledge @YMO speaks truth (not about beer though) in his remarks about lack-of-comfort. On the loaner RS2e the pads are painful, but once they warm up they do soften a little and get better. However, I think the RS2e headband needs to be stretched out to reduce clamp force. I did not do this because they are not my headphone. My SR80 has been stretched out and this goes a very long way to help alleviate the discomfort from the TTVJ deluxe pads.

    The RS2e are easily better than my SR80's because the RS2e can compete on the level of HD650 and offer a nice alternative livelier presentation.

    HOWEVER this brings me to the negatives:

    I didn't realize that these are $500 headphones! #Facepalm. For $500 you get, what? A crappy, flimsy cardboard box. A thick non-detachable cable. Some poorly finished wood cups. A crappy headband that creaks. A full color signed photograph of the Grado "boys". This reminded me of the scene from Tommy Boy about the guarantee on the box.
    Of course this is all in comparison to the Drop HD6XX which slays these at less than half the price. I understand these headphones are hand-made by real Brooklynites, but $500 seems exorbitant. I would estimate these are worth $300.
    The pads are pricey too at $50, but I think for the improvement they are worth it. I put my quarter-modded old ass pads on the RS2e and they sounded like bright garbage.

    In summary, I think Marv put together the best inexpensive bang-for-the-buck Grado combination that offers a nice alternative to the HD650/6XX. I think as a unit, the Modi 3/Asgard 3/ RS2e-TTVJ deluxe pads, offers a great value and a nice alternative to the HD6XX in this setup.
    I appreciate being part of the loaner tour, thanks!
     
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    My first “real” headphones were a pair of Grado 125is way back in the day and this was sort of a homecoming. I was really looking forward to trying a newer better pair with the RS2es. I recently had the JAR600/650 mods in the house along with my 600/6XXs and it took a little adjustment to the Grados. The forward nature can be a bit of a shock, but I came to like it with a lot of the music I routinely listen too. I focused my listening on acoustic/electric guitar, blues and jazz songs as these played to the Grados strengths.

    Compared to the Senns the most notable difference is the speed and clarity. I also never felt they sounded congested or blurred as the Senns. Going back to the Senns, I really missed the clarity of the Grados. The Grados were articulate but did have a slight bit of grain. Those that love the smooth mids of the 650s may not like these. For the most part I thought they were balanced with rolled off bass. On some songs that had a lot of reverb guitar, I did notice an odd resonance. I’m guessing that could be the wood cups and while it wasn’t offensive, it was noticeable.

    One issue I encountered with the ZDT jr. was moderately loud was just above the volume pot channel imbalance threshold. If there was a particularly loud song and I wanted to lower the volume, I’d hit the imbalance level. And pretty much anything above the 8 o’clock level was loud. I know the Grados are efficient but this was the first time I ran into this issue.

    As others have mentioned there is some weakness in the build and aesthetics. I didn’t care for the cable and it not being easily replaceable, you’re kind stuck with it. Same goes for the 1/4” adapter. These are higher end headphones, I wish the stock end was 1/4” and came with an adapter to 1/8”.

    The pads for me were not an issue comfort wise as I tend to listen in 60-90 min sessions and they were never uncomfortable. But I still prefer the over the ear style of the Senns or Focal Clears given a choice.

    Overall I enjoyed the Grados and I’d pick some up if I can find a deal on a set of used ones. Thanks @purr1n for adding these to the loaner program.

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    RPI/Roon > Gungnir > Freya S > DNA Starlett
     
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    I would get used Grados if you want better value. $500 is a bit too much.

    However, the SR-225 may be the sweet spot. It's just so slightly behind RS-2 in refinement and clarity, but has flatted mid-treble. I should do instructions on how to pop the SR-225 drivers into woody cups and wire it up without solder!

    I'm not missing the RS2s much because I still have my woody SR80s! Not as clear, not as refined, but thicker lows and more even highs.
     
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    It is interesting you say this about the 225s. I just auditioned the loaner RS2e along side my other Grados and was thinking the 225s may be the real sweet spot in whole of the Prestige and Reference series. More impressions to come.
     
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    When evaluating the RS2e and the TTVJ ear pads I compared them with my vintage RS1 and vintage 225. I used a Yggdrasil DAC going into a Maple Tree Ear+ HD amp and the Schiit Ragnarok gen 1.

    When I first heard the RS2e with the TTJV pads I thought they sounded thick with the bass being a little over done. At least compared to what I am used to with Grados. I then switched the L Cush Pads from my RS1 with the TTVJ on the RS2e. I then recognized the RS2e as Grado similar to what I am used to but perhaps a little smoother, little more bass, and more efficient. The RS2e are definitely easier to drive than my vintage RS1 and 225s. I like that. I will say that I prefer the RS2e with the L-cush over the TTVJ pads. However using the TTVJ pads on my RS1 and 225 were another story. All sound good and differences are not dramatic. Here is my order of preference:

    1. RS1 with L-cush: Still my favorite of all Grado's I have heard. Sounded a bit more detailed than the RS2e and has a fuller soundstage. More air around instruments. Perhaps a little thin but serves some music very well.

    2. RS1 with TTVJ: The TTVJ pads really change the sonic signature of the RS1s. They seem to flatten the frequency response being less aggressive in the upper mids and the highs. And the bass improvement was nice. The sound was thicker with the instruments having more body without really loosing any detail or sounding less natural. This is a very close 2nd to the RS1's with the L-cush. Overtime that order could change.

    3. RS2e with L-cush: Really enjoyable sound that is a little fuller and thicker than the RS1 with L-cush. Closer in sound to the RS1 with TTVJ. Still excellent detail close to that of the RS1. I think the RS1 could sound more detailed due to a thinner sound. Definitely does not have the staging of the RS1 which is why it is not preferred over the RS1. However if I had to replace my vintage RS1s these may be the primary candidate.

    4. 225's with TTVJ pads: This was the biggest surprise of the loaner program to me. The vintage 225s always had great detail but were somewhat thin and light on bass. The TTVJ pads put just the right amount of meat on the bones and filled in the bass nicely. All this with no apparent reduction in detail. It really transformed these 225 for me making them a much better complement to the RS1. I will be getting a pair of TTVJ deluxe pads for my 225s as soon as my wife can stomach it. The 225's with the TTVJ sounded very close to the RS2e with the L-cush. I am giving the edge to the RS2e with L-cush because they are smoother with a little less grain. Also the RS2e is more efficient and I like that.

    5. 225's with L-cush: For me definitely not as good as the RS2e. Just a little to thin and bass often not full enough. A little less soundstage than RS2e but not too much less.

    6. RS2e with TTVJ: Bass was just too bloated for me and things were too thick with acoustic instruments, which is my Grado niche. Acoustic instruments just did not have a tone that was as natural to me as the RS2e with the L-cush. I know this is a personal preference. Some will love all the extra bass and fullness.

    So those are my impressions on sound. I will say I did not like the lack of 0.25" plug on the RS2e. If I did not have the 0.25" adapter set just right I would sometimes get extra noise. I sometimes wondered if this lack of grounding was contributing to their thickness. Did not have another adapter to try. While I do think the RS2e sound very good I think if I were to start over with the Grado line I would start with the 225e and L-cush and then perhaps experiment later with TTVJ. Any upgrade from there in the Grado line would be Statement series or higher. I may get a new pair of 225e and compare to my vintage 225 for fun. And use them when traveling, hotel room only, since they have the mini plug that will go directly into my DAP unlike my vintage 225s with the 0.25" plug.

    Had a good time doing this and I really appreciate the opportunity.

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    P.S. I took some pictures that I was going to post but could not figure out how to do it without uploading them to a website and posting a link. If there is an easy way to do this let me know and I will try to post them.
     
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    RS2e w/ TTVJ pads is considerably thicker and darker sounding than I expected.

    Never thought I'd find a Grado of any kind or configuration to be too dark before I hit the age of 80.

    (Note: Fat head here. These clamp like a mofo and are darker sounding for it. I will probably stretch them a wee bit once I get measurements.)
     
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    Can someone explain this sudden and seemingly random onset of love for an old chestnut brand of headphones that has just now swept SBAF?

    And at the risk of gadlying, why is it that @purr1n rediscovers them and now everyone is coming out of the woodwork to love them after all these years?
     
  17. Lyander

    Lyander Too sensitive for SBAF

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    It's fun to hate on Grados. I was happy with the old RS1s save for imaging (which was absolutely donkey poop) and some midrange colouration that didn't work for every piece I liked but kept mum about it cuz I didn't want to draw a target on my back; this forum is fairly vocal in case that wasn't obvious :))

    Finding out other people that have established track records like em was a relief. I'm still shitting on their higher end models because those are priced to gouge out wallets, but love for the lower end lines and extracting a different flavour of Senn HD6__-tier performance* via mods of the same is exciting just for having other toys to play with.

    I swear 80% of this hobby is people getting bored with good gear and side-grading for fun. Likely more common among people still figuring out preferences like myself.

    EDIT: And bass. I turned into a basshead after Grados, lol; went from modded** DT880 to RS1 back to modded DT880 to TH-X00 Ebony to HP-3.


    *Haven't had Grados at home in ages, didn't have HD650 or HD600 to directly compare at the time. Just memory and anecdotes.
    ** The DT880s I had for years were felt disc modded by a previous owner to tame the treble, but I didn't know this until waaaaaay later. I just thought I was immune to treble fuckery because I never found them particularly piercing.
     
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    Exactly my thoughts on the sound being too thick and dark. If you have some L-cush pads try those. If you are using the .25" adapter make sure the contact is good or try another one.
     
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    gaspasser Flatulence Maestro

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    Simple, we do whatever @purr1n sez is cool. Then we say it’s gud no matter what. I’m a minion looking for big boss.

    The only reason people are talking about it is because they were in the loaner tour or had Grado to begin with and just bought TTVaJay pads.
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    He offered them on a tour. I retry them after so many years of Grado land and finally hearing them with the Flats. My opinion is stated that I still think the Grados sucks and are overpriced. However, the Flats does fix a few deficiencies on the Grado sound.

    If you think all of us is following what leather daddy @purr1n is doing, the answer is no. Grados is what got me into the hobby, so that's why I was curious again because I never ordered the Flats when I had Grados.
     
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