Jude E-peens Tyll and Gaslights Us with Alternative Facts

Oh dude.. I was once reading a thread about flashlights on a forum at work and I clicked on a link that I thought said "flashlight" as I was in a flashlight thread after all.. and it turned out that it said "fleshlight." BTW.. I was working at an elementary school (though this was in the afternoon after the kids were gone). I flipped out at the time but luckily I never heard anything about it.

 

"Debbie Does Dynamics "

 

Holy butt-hurt, Batman! They don't even understand what the beef is about. They think it's about the Z1Rs, when it's simply about how this all could have been handled via email correspondence and phone calls rather than publicly posting about it on headfi.

 

hello,

i am old so there may be some disconnect here.

a commercial site, run by a respected, experienced headphone reviewer and measurement guru, posts a negative review of a major manufacturer's latest flagship. the reviewer's disappointment (maybe even sorrow) that this manufacturer can not seem to produce a superior product is palpable. also, before giving the bad news (that the headphones in question do not sound very good) the reviewer goes out of their way to praise the materials, design and comfort of the product.

then the Great Leader of another commercial site (masquerading as a "community") publishes a more favorable review of the same product, using their own measurements as "proof" that the former reviewer's measurements are "inconsistent."

the funny thing is that other third party measurements (employing different methodologies and hardware) line up more with the experienced reviewer's results than the Great Leader's.

the Great Leader responds that their measurement rig is so vastly superior to any other (as it is THE most costly) that all other results are bogus.

the problem is, people in this hobby are sorta the outliers. if we stay in it at all, we are pursuing the reproduction of Music, where all the hardware, stupid buying decisions and (seemingly) endless chasing of the next best thing disappears. where we can listen for hours and be transported somewhere else.

the problem with Jude is that he wants to be the EXPERT. that his opinions are gold plated and that his bank account is fatter because headphone listeners, the industry and the mainstream press all know his to be the last and definitive word.

calling out Tyll on a personal level is a disservice to all of us. Jude should be ashamed of himself. however, based on IM interactions i have had with the man, i do not think he is capable of that.

tl,dr: Jude is a dick. Hype-Fi is a blight on the hobby. the truth will out. but it will be barely noticed by anyone else, and Jude will still be able to print money at the expense of other's ignorance. some of those folks might be fortunate enough to find other forums where they will be able to learn and maybe, just maybe get to the place where its the Music that matters.

 

Automatic ignore. He clearly wants to see some angry response here.

 

..yet

 

There is a lot of discussion of "the other site". SBAF is actually spelt out in one post. It has been there for over 2 hours.

Edit: I put a screenshot in the above. This is the "live" post. https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/t...e-from-ifa-2016.818846/page-711#post-13553040

Dang, there are 8 posts with "SBAF" in them.

 

hello,

@Marvey, or, more accurately, "actual community."

 

There's a suicide girls photoshoot with some Grados... I'll leave you thirty buggers to google the rest yourselves.

 

It's funny that they feel we need to feel superior or better than them, etc.

Chang/SBAF has done nothing but HELP the community, while the other, has, at least for the past 5-10 years, done nothing to help it, but rather lies to it and makes all efforts to deceive it and promote the sponsor of the month.

I remember the conversations and posts from a lot of people claiming measurements should not be used, that they are dead wrong, and they can't quantify the subjective listening experience. Now, all of a sudden, measurements are good because someone bought the most expensive HATS out there without understanding the science and art behind it and deems it necessary to put down all other measurements due to their failure. Right....

But we're high and mighty....how are those Sennheiser HD 700's sounding these days? LCD's? The list can go on and on.

I can say one thing and I'll take this to my grave...some of the most stuck up and fucked up people I know are still on head-fi. The nicest and most humble people I have met have come from head-fi and are here on SBAF and head-case.

 

Just a note on this, though, and I may be wrong, but high on mass is actually not the only way to provide attenuation (I'd avoid "isolation" in this context since it never truly does go away) for energy at lower frequencies. You basically provided the other way there: the dummy head is de-coupled from the enclosure, so if the enclosure was de-coupled from the ground by high density pointy feet (you probably just need about 3 of those), then that would most likely provide the same effect without significantly increasing the mass of the entire enclosure.

But of course, this is just a note. I'm sure the engineers behind that rig know what they are doing very well, and much better than me.

I would not be so sure that the newer dummy heads are more accurate.

High frequencies are highly directional, so they will sound different depending on the different types of ear canals. In fact, I would even go so far as to argue that not having a canal at all, and using an omni-directional mic that can potentially capture all frequencies at a point right outside the ear canal, basically akin to what Marv and many others here are doing now, may in fact be more accurate (at least in some cases) than having to take into account an ear canal because there will always be the freak cases where the ear canal of the dummy head deviates too far from that of the listener.

You know, being mentored by highly experienced and knowledgeable people is not an indication of anything IMO. Each person learns and experiences things at their own pace.

I know this very well because I'm thick-headed myself. I'm just stupid. It took me years to learn how to measure and read measurements, and there are still things I still don't get. That's under the guidance of highly experienced individuals like @Marvey, @ultrabike, and @Hands.

There is no magical shortcut or free lunch ticket here.

Honestly, I have nothing against Jude, which is why I'm not joining the bandwagon that ridicules him here. But it is clear to me that Jude made a mistake, and it's very hard to defend him in this case, as you can see. When there is so much stacked against him, one really has to wonder if Jude may have to try and redeem himself somehow. Even some of those who still frequent Head-fi are starting to talk against his post already.

A simple "sorry, I wrote words that potentially cause some people to misread my intentions" would most likely suffice. But I guess the problem with this industry is that sometimes it's too hard to say "oops, I messed up!" But hey, Tyll pulled it off!