Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Did you send in your ballot?

    BTW, the POTUS does get to pick his cabinet. It's a extremely powerful position, even moreso in modern times. What he is going to do, pick people who have different views and let them at it? (George Washington actually did this with Jefferson and Hamilton).

    Let me turn this around: did it occur to you that Obama was seen as just as despotic by a lot of folks in this country. Did you know that militias, which were waning after the OK bombings, came back to life after Obama? (It wasn't Trump who revived the militias).

    This is how representative democracy works. You can't have the guy who you like all the time. This is the real issue that you have.

    P.S. Raygun tried killing Gaddafi. He missed. However, it worked - Gaddafi stopped trying to mess with the USA. Raygun also started a war with Iran. We blew up a lot of their ships and oil platforms. That worked too.

    When was the last time Iran fired missiles into Saudi oil fields, mined a tanker, or pirated a tanker since Solemani got exploded into 100 body parts?

    Clinton started a war with Serbia. That worked too. It stopped ethnic cleansing of muslims in the EU and brought three sides together for peace. Clinton later regretted that he did not act sooner.
     
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  2. Tachikoma

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    I'm not American, just a Malaysian worried about my own country getting fucked by a China vs US showdown.

    As far as I can tell, Obama didn't try to extend the authority wielded by the POTUS. Trump on the other hand, has publicly announced that he will seek a third term (and more), and he absolutely will try.

    The same militias that you just spent a page ridiculing? You know why they came back, and it has nothing to do with Obama actually being a despot. Obama is gone and they're still here.

    Also, f**k your wars. Tell that to the people who had to endure the US flinging its military penis in their faces.
     
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    I say this from a relatively uninformed position, but I would disagree. Healthcare =/= insurance and vice versa. We have en masse insurance because healthcare costs got out of control after the 70's from what I understand (and the little bit of research and number crunching I did... key word here is little though). US didn't suddenly become way better at healthcare when the costs drastically increased either. To me the ideal situation is just to have healthcare that was affordable enough that insurance was only needed for big stuff or emergencies, etc.

    Again, I may be all wrong, but from what I can see, this seems to be a big political problem, not a mathematically impossible issue, not completely due to big pharma / biotech (although they do add a significant amount of costs), wasteful / inefficient systems and spending (also a real cost adder but not a deathblow), etc etc.

    I should also say that I may have a little more personal interest / stake in seeing the system fixed than some other people.
     
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    They say the quiet ones are usually the most dangerous.

    That said, Trump does say a lot of crazy shit. And sometimes, does pretty crazy shit.

    I mean, even hand picked cabinet members apparently go WTF when dealing with Trump.
     
  5. purr1n

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    All US Presidents as far as I can remember have tried to extend their authority. The US system works in checks and balances of three branches, executive, legislative, and judicial. Representative democracy really does work here.

    As far as Obama exceeding his mandated powers, here is another point of view:
    https://www.cato.org/publications/c...obama-violated-constitution-during-presidency

    Note that I am not picking on him. GWB did just as much if not more. It’s just that you mentioned that Obama was such a sweet sweet man who didn’t try at the utmost to get what he wanted.

    As far as a third term, Trump says a lot of things. He won’t even get a second term.

    FDR was the only US President to serve over two terms. I think he served three or four. The US Congress and the States (the people) decided the limit term limits as a result of this through the 22nd Amendment of the Constitution - the highest law of the land. This is how the American system works. Checks and balances.

    The system really works.
     
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    Re: Trump and dictatorship, for fine examples of how a democratic system doesn't prevent this from happening and how it's legally done, take a look at how it happened recently (last 2 decades) in Turkey and Russia. They are both still technically democracies but the reality is very different. BTW, Hitler and the Nazis were also democratically elected.

    A bit of study into the above makes everything plain as day.
    If you want a concrete example, how about de-funding the post office right before an election during a pandemic? Yes I know, "mail in ballots are fraudulent". Yet the guy perpetuating this bullshit has voted by mail his entire life. So either it's a lie (it is - there is zero proof that mail-in voting is any more fraudulent than any other type of voting) or, he's ok with fraudulent voting as long as he's the one doing it. Look at Texas where counties are being limited to single ballot boxes. There are cases where you have to drive tipple digit miles to get to the ballot box. And this is even if you have an absentee ballot which supposedly is not fraudulent. Why is this not done in states that he is guaranteed to win?

    These steps may not have huge implications but they make clear the intentions: reduce the ability of people being able to remove you from power. While we may be wowed by big shocking political events that fundamentally change the political landscape of a nation, more times than not, it's slow deliberate erosion of the existing checks on power.

    As for him personally, do I really need to spell it out? I mean the guy has a blatant hard-on for being on top, undisputed, unquestioned, and followed mindlessly into whatever. He fawns over Kim Jong Un and Putin (paragons of freedom). He's straight up said that HE will be the one to decide if he leaves office should he lose the elections. No that doesn't sound dictatorial at all. "The voters don't decide if I leave - I decide". Using military against civilians for photo-ops? Are you really going to defend that?
     
  7. YMO

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    This thread reminds me that our founding fathers were some of the smartest people in their time....

    I don't like the direction of American politics, but I'll always love the Federalism concept.

    @Pancakes wouldn't survive NYC.
     
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  8. purr1n

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    Yes. The founders were pretty f’ing awesome and fully understood that power corrupts absolutely. They were not perfect though. We had a Civil War to to get rid of slavery. The question of State’s Rights (very evident during SARSv2 pandemic) is not totally settled.

    Again. Trump says a lot of shit, stuff that he has no power over. USPS funding is from Congress. It’s budget for 2020 has already been decided. Voting mechanisms are not federal, they are state. Tons of mail In ballots around the country have already been cast. A record number, including in TX. Yes, there are spots in TX where there is only one ballot box. There are also areas in CA like this. This is because some areas have low population density. (It doesn’t matter in CA anyway since this is a one party state).

    Stop reading alarmist news. There is no voting fraud or efforts at disenfranchisement. It’s all bluster from the guy on the Apprentice, who is desperate and reaching into his butthole. Fake news goes both ways. The right has accused the left of coordinated efforts to bus people to the polls and instruct them how to fill in their ballots.

    Finally I would ask, did you vote? Did you mail in your ballot?

    BTW, mail-in ballots have historically tended toward the GOP.
     
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  9. purr1n

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    Newsflash: they all do.

    Some are better at hiding this than others. NYC’ers tend to suck at hiding this. It’s just the nature of how business is done in that city; loud, brash, vulgar, hurling insults, throwing chairs. Midwesterners are better at it.

    One does not defend this. One vanquishes it by voting.
     
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    Correct, which what the FL GOP was pushing for decades when they taken over the State Gov from the Dems in the 90s. However, this time around thanks to Trump's mouth a lot less GOP voters are requesting mail ballots. Dems are really killing the GOP on the mail ballots this time around in FL. However, expect a big tick up of GOP voters in Early Voting and their domination on Election Day.

    When Trump keep talking crap about mail voting the FL GOP were shitting in their pants, hoping Trump can shut up about it. FL GOP doesn't want to world to know who votes by mail the most in FL (the GOP voters, lol). Hey, in FL every vote count including the ones in the mail!
     
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    No, it does not count.

    This. Actually internally in the USA I think this is widely recognized, which is why the Dem's do not try to hard to make some false narrative of war monger stick (not that it is not a normal part of the spaghetti on the wall election season rhetoric).

    I am with you @Tachikoma in that American taxpayers have footed the bill at keeping Russian tanks out of Europe (allowing European's to enjoy generous self-funding of extravagant social welfare programs for 70 years), China contained, and the like for far far too long. I say we pull our boomers back and form a ring around North and South America, and signal to the rest of the world you are on your own. After a painful process we can wean ourselves off of cheap Asia labor/process and have South America build all of our widgets.
     
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    I believe this would be a grave mistake.

    We are keeping Russian tanks out of Europe, not in the best interests of Europe, but our own. We want Europe in our sphere of influence. Not in Russia's sphere of influence.

    Furthermore, China is not contained. It is a super power on its own. And folks that don't get that, better get used to that idea.

    The rest of the world is not on their own. They trade favorably within the super power sphere of interest.

    We trade with China. But we already have the backing of North (Mexico), Central, and South America. It is part of our sphere of influence. And within it, any country that deviates from this, is kind of fucked.

    Without a powerful military presence and deterrent, this would not be.
     
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    While Malaysians have typically disliked the US, without AZNUS, direct US security cooperation, and arms shipments, everyone in Malaysia would be speaking Mandarin by now (if not this, then Chinese boats would be littered in front of your shores). If you are worried about a showdown, just surrender to the Chinese. There are many ways to obtain peace. Surrender worked for ancient provinces of China, errr, I mean, Tibet and parts of Mongolia.

    People hate US security leadership, until it goes away.

    My folks in Taiwan are sure as hell grateful toward the US.

    P.S.

    If Malaysians hate Americans killing their fellow Muslims in endless wars, then Trump should be their man. Trump hates these wars. It's actually a breath of fresh air going back to a policy of containment, which worked for decades before GWB believed that the people of the middle-east were actually ready for externally caused revolution and democracy.
     
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    Yes @ultrabike , you lay out the status quo thinking post WWII, with roots going back to the late 19th century. Indeed, it is hard to even imagine an alternative scenario, it all seems so necessary and natural. Certainly both parties are fully on board with it, despite occasional minor grumblings from the hard libertarian right and the "socialist" left.

    Thing is I don't want to pay for it anymore and I sure as hell don't want my children paying for it. Indeed, I admit I resent the hell out it and I am willing to question the progressive premises of these so called "self interests". I was sitting in the stadium at Oklahoma State U in 1990 (as a sophomore) when Bush senior gave the commencement speech, which was really a political speech all about how we need to staty committed to Europe and Nato (right after the fall of the Berlin wall). Even then I thought "bullshit - it is well past time they find the civilizational vitality and confidence to defend themselves and/or unite, or we can let them fall apart on their own".

    What would it mean to be a "superpower", which is to say a robust economy with a MAD level nuclear force yet was not playing and paying to be the worlds, or even Europe's or East Asia's army/peace keeper? The status quo thinking is really just PTSD left over from the very bloody 20th century, anchored on WWII (though WWI through Berlin wall is really how long that war lasted). We have never dared think in terms other than a progressive one centered around deterrent, containment, 'interests', and basically doing for others what they can not or will not do for themselves. It's all quite arrogant and "colonial" if you think about it.

    It is damn well time we try something different. I propose a real conservative one - one that keeps certain aspects of the status quo like strong deterrent and even spheres of influence, but yet acknowledges that even if in theory can keep Europe, East Asia, and the rest of the world from themselves (as if you can "save" an alcoholic from walking into the bar) we simply can not afford it - not now, and not even in the past.
     
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    I always ask people to read the founding documents before they start being too opinionated about the US politics.
    I once read back to back the American Constitution and the draft of European constitution I think written by a former French president, the draft that was soundly rejected.
    The Constitution of the US is 22 pages, with amendments, of amazing clarity. And it is all how to protect citizens against the overreach of government.
    The draft of the EU constitution was 160 pages of aspirational bullshit and every page was dedicated to making sure that government does not need to give a rat's ass about what people want.
    I was in France then, waiting for the immigrations visa and I remember talking to my French friends, They were of the same opinion.
    Very educational :)

    I get it, I get it.. you hate the guy, but I am only into implications. This is the top job in the world and the only thing that counts are actions and implications.
     
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    Been there, done that, no problem. I'm quite able to be at least as big of an asshole as the next guy.
     
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    The US, with all of it's problems, is relatively diverse. This affords an understanding within the sphere of influence, that may not be perfect, but is pretty attractive and constructive IMO.

    Pay we will have to. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Being a superpower is good. If folks don't feel this way, there are plenty of countries that are not superpowers, and can go live there and see how shitty life is there.

    What it means to be a "superpower" is that you get your way in most situations. It does not mean you become the peace keeper, as some would have folks believe. We become the peace keeper if it is beneficial to us. We don't if it's not.

    Our military might is not there for the benefit of our allies. It is there for the benefit of us. That what benefits us, sometimes benefits our allies, is just something we can market I guess.

    EDIT: Think about it this way. If we have an awesome trade or whatevs agreement with another country, if that country gets threaten by another one, so is our awesome trade or whateves agreement. Some of those agreements are collectively making us strong and improving our quality of life. And that, is what I believe we are fighting for.
     
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    Stood in line for 5 hours during first day of early voting in GA (yesterday) and cast my vote.
     
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    The US system is pretty special. Amazingly special. People outside don't understand and probably never will, and neither do most citizens, current POTUS included. A lot of foreign news actually gives bad narratives of how the US works.

    It's funny when dictatorship comes up, because those afraid of it seem to the be most against people owning guns. People owning guns is the ultimate counter against dictatorship.
     
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    It takes exactly 1 drone to wipe out your entire household and melt all the guns inside it. Sorry but unless real military weapons are legalized for citizens, nobody is countering anything other than their neighbor (maybe).
     

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