RAAL requisite audio SR1a Review: HOLY MOLY! Buy this now!

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  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    On Vidar:

    So I set up Vidar last night, and while the sound is good, the Vidar by itself is the slowest amp I've heard yet with the SR1a. Again, in the context of SR1a, it's not slow sounding per se, but slower than the NHB-108 and Aegir x2. We are talking about slow in the spectrum of fast. It almost seemed that the Vidar itself (I used a passive pre) slowed things down to the point of being on the level of traditional dynamics, yet with the advantages of client transients.

    Note that I found the Vidar and Jot (early-production) combination to be much "faster", but in hindsight, I realized that the OG Jot was contributing its zippy transients the SR1a. Well, to be honest, this was the reason that was given to me for using this combination. I didn't believe it at first, but it's true. The downside (and in hindsight I now realize) the Jot was also contributing its upper midrange forwardness through the Vidar to the SR1a.

    The takeaway from this is that the SR1a seems to be greatly affected by amp and source as @Zhanming057 has already confirmed.

    Vidar with the passive volume control by itself didn't seem any better than Vidar + Jot (the Jot is also a little bit on the flat side in terms of microdynamics), but I would assume this is because the Vidar is the limiting factor in the chain. (Note the amp blind test thread at the Schiitr where Vidar lagged behind the Rag 2 and Aegir). The warmer, almost thick tone of the Vidar really suites the SR1b which on average has a gentle upward slope in terms of frequency response. I noted that I backed off (or just turned off) the minor EQ curves I applied at 1.8kHz and 7kHz). However, I miss the sheer technicalities, the microdynamics, the resolution, and even the macro-dynamics to a smaller extent, of the Aegir monoblocks and especially the NHB-108. The Vidar isn't horrible as I do plan on using this rig next to my beside in the coming months. It's the economic choice. However, the point is that the SR1a can scale like mad. I don't think we've even touched the surface of what it can do with direct drive amps.
     
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    @Serious Yes, part of the limiting factor is that even if you have a direct drive amp, you still need an appropriate level of cable resistivity where the drivers making sound won't cause the cable (which absorbs most of the output) to literally burst into flames.
     
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    Been there, done that. At least twice, in fact.

    I don't understand how the transformer's secondary impedance isn't also a major issue.
     
  4. yotacowboy

    yotacowboy McRibs Kind of Guy

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    Do you mean current-mode like Bakoon, etc.?
     
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    I believe that's different. Current amplification doesn't necessarily mean a ton of current. What we are looking for is a amp with low voltage rails, but capable of sustaining an almost short circuit.
     
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    Hmmm...a high power instrument that can sustain a short-circuit...

    How about something like this? ;)

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    I've must have had over an hour total over multiple sessions with the good Raal setup. The headphones are great but Danny the CEO is a fantastic guy and always a pleasure to see the top man invested.

    The big question about bass, yes they are bass light but not impact light, a crucial difference. Massive Attack doesn't sound as it should nor did any other bass heavy track. Everything else was superb, impact, quantity and quality wise.
    Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen is one of my default test tracks and I was 100% satisfied low. Rock was fantastic with Sabaton being a clear success with impact that could be heard and felt not just to satisfaction but impressive levels.

    Tilted towards bright sounding without exaggerating peaks or overemphasising treble for the sake of sounding detailed.
    Midrange has the biggest presence I've heard in voices, partially due to the sheer size of the soundstage and the tactility of textures. It does lack richness, it's not lean sounding in the slightest but doesn't present all the subtle nuances of a voice when they are partially opened as was my ideal position. Closing them so the ribbons are parallel to the ears I got some of the nuances back but bass tends to bleed and the whole bottom left side of the frequency becomes congested.

    Top end is detailed, very detailed, maybe the most. Unforgiving on bad recordings as expected, microdetail to Stax levels is so easily heard without sharpness, harshness and again richness.

    What does concern me, even if it doesn't sound sharp or bright overall is the fatigue I got after using it. Could be the glare from the Jot or the ribbons themselves, I don't know and until I'll audition one on better gear I won't be pulling the trigger.

    Also I wouldn't take it in this setup over my home one, it does most things to new levels but the lack of richness is kind of a dealbreaker and very hard to relax into. A laid back listen this is not.

    If I wasn't knee deep in SET with some interesting experimenting going on now I would have got one today but I'll most likely wait for a V2 and see where HEDD ends up as that thing has potential.
     
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    The RAAL Requisite was good enough to get Jason Stoddard 's attention:
    https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sch...bable-start-up.701900/page-3249#post-15093719

    when I heard the Raal ribbon headphones, I said, “Holy schiit, these things are friggin bonkers!”...
    I bet I can make a direct drive amp for these...
    I had a prototype up and running on a lab supply that same afternoon...
    “Weldenheim” was made out of a Jotunheim...
     
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    Marv, did you have any chance to pair RAAL with a power tube amp? I was wondering the result.
     
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    It's fun to see Jason excited about a project and a direct drive amp from Schiit for the Raals would be amazing though how they could justify producing a low volume amp dedicated to just one headphone has me scratching my head.
     
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    We're just playin right now. It's a fun engineering exercise.

    If a direct drive amp comes about, I don't expect it will be inexpensive, mainly due to economies of scale. Even if it's in a Jotunheim chassis, it's still a different top (no 1/4" jack, different Neutrik), and completely different transformer, board, power supply, circuit, etc. Plus much shorter runs.

    Now, if ribbon headphones become a thing, and we can scale up...we'll see!
     
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    That seems to be one of the great things about Jason and the team at Schiit - they do what they want* and they have fun with it! The market seems to have proven the value of their approach.

    *(I was going to say they really don't give a schiit, but that's too easy)
     
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    No chance since this would need a 100W amp, maybe even 150W with tubes since a little higher output impedance compared to solid-state amps. I guess a tube pre might help with deeper soundstage and bloom.

    Now a direct drive tube amps with 100:1 OPTs might work, but this will depend upon the popularity of ribbons. Another issue to overcome is the response shaping networks which may be different depending upon implementation. I can see an over-the-ear version requiring different response shaping to the open baffle of the SR1a.
     
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    Publish DIY specs for your fun exercise :)
     
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    So I pulled out the Crest CA2 pro audio amp. Yeah, this works quite well with the SR1a. The CA2 amp is 100W into 8-ohms and 200W into 4-ohms. Now, do I advocate using Class AB pro audio amps? Probably not because of the loud fans. However, what I did was replace the fans with lower speed ones. I looked up the part # inside the case, and simply ordered the slower speed (or higher voltage equivalent to get a slower speed) from Digikey. It's just a little bit of work (no soldering was required). The replacement fans weren't cheap. But a used CA2 is $150 to $200 easily.

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    So how do I like the sound? I just might stick with this. The CA2 has a bit of veil compared to the others, but it offers a more open and expansive soundstage compared to Vidar. The Vidar is a bit warmer, thicker, and does have better clarity overall. The CA2 frequency response is more even with just as smooth, maybe a bit smoother highs. I think tonally and timbre-wise, this CA2 reminds me more of the Dartzeel, but without the grip, dynamics, and clarity.

    So it's poorer technically in many respects to the other amps I've tried so far, yet the expansive soundstage and may I even say even microdynamics and involvement factor may be superior to that of Vidar? There just something about this setup that is enticing. It's not an especially fast sound, in fact, the speed seems more normal and akin to fast dynamics; but as I have already stated, I prefer this. I'm not into fake fast sounding transients.

    I may have to go back to compare to Vidar. I suspect that Vidar's closer soundstage can be fixed to a large extent with Saga as an active preamp. (Note that I'm currently using a passive pre).

    Now going back to the old adage of transducers first (amplifier next, and source last), what we have here with the CA2 can easily still qualify as "Summit-Fi". $3500 + $200 used pro audio amp + 50 fans x2. And this is what I really wanted to point out. I'm also using a Modi 3, so think what would happen if I were to use a Dangerous Music Convert-2 as the source!

    I figured I'd mention this because I saw someone mention that SBAF might sell them on the idea of owning an HD800, but knowing how finicky the HD800 is and the amplifier required to get it up to "Summit-Fi" levels, I figured I may as well throw out this possibility with the SR1a.

    I continued to be enamored by the RAAL / Requisite SR1a, to the point where I am listening to headphones (in this case ear monitors) again before I fall asleep in my bed drooling.
     
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    Probably not optimal. Output impedance from 8-ohm tap is 1-ohm. From 4-ohm tap is 0.5-ohm, however, will be less power output from the 4-ohm tap. The darn thing does 80W into 8-ohms before hitting 1% THD (yeah, the specs are fudged a bit). Not to mention 1-2db rolloff at the extremes. And in Triode mode, even less power. And if Ultralinear mode, why even bother? Just go good solid-state, especially since good ~100Wpc solid-state can be had used below $1000 (pro audio amps, Classe, GAS, Sumo, Linn, etc.)

    Now I wished I snagged up @dBel84's reconditioned Linn Klout.
     
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    That’s very interesting... I have a cresc ca-6 in the basement... I thinks its 1000w 8ohm mono...:punk:
     
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    Oh yeah! Even better! You are done!

    I think I should talk to Danny @ Requisite to see if we can get a special SBAF secret hand sign deal.
     

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