Schiit Mjolnir 3 Impressions

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    Yes, in my experience (HQPlayer DSD256>Holo May>MJ3>{Atrium|Caldera}). Caldera complements MJ3 to create a driving, dynamic, precise, spacious sound. Atrium does not create the same clear 3D impression, compared with Atrium on other amps I own (DNA Stellaris, ecp DSHA-3F).
     
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    I didn't install the feet. I just have the MJ3 resting on them.
     
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    I've posted my Ragnarok 2 impressions (vs MJ3) here: link
     
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    I got the thicker alcantara pads for my Elites. Also upgraded LiM to MiB. OMFG I am purely blown away with what I am hearing. Thanks to Purr1n for that rec on the LiM not being so great with MJ3. Spot on advice. I so didn't want to believe it but there it is. This combo has the most fantastic air and sound staging, I am addicted. Layering of detail and instrumental placement in the stage is incredible. Timbre, so beautiful. This sound stage thing is unbelievable really. Seems like its at least 3 feet around my head in all directions. Just incredible. Synergy to the max here. Wow.
     
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    Schiit Mjolnir 3 Loaner Impressions

    Thank you Schiit, SBAF, and @julie for making this loaner tour possible. It’s such a treat to hear gear that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to audition – and to be able to do so at home, in your own system. I really appreciate this great opportunity.

    I tend to write overly long loaner impressions. I’ll be briefer this time, if only because the Mjolnir 3 is such an outstandingly good amp – for my preferences and gear – that there’s really not much to say. Nothing sounds wrong. There are no troublesome or unpleasant qualities. Put more positively, it’s one of the best amps I’ve heard.


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    I used two ortho headphones with the Mjolnir 3: a stock LCD-4 using Audeze’s Reveal plugin and a rhythmdevils audio modded LCD-4z, or RD-4z. I don’t have any dynamic driver headphones, sorry. I should note that the LCD-4 at 200 ohms and the RD-4z at 16 ohms have different amping requirements, and the Mjolnir 3 catered to both more than satisfactorily.

    The LCD-4 sounds very good from the MJ3. The RD-4z is synergistic. It’s an absolutely pleasurable pairing, perhaps the best I’ve heard from a solid state amp.

    I happen to have two DACs at home at the moment: an Yggdrasil A2 with Unison and a Wavedream Edition SE (the most “basic” model). The MJ3 reflected the distinctiveness of both DACs and was transparent to these sources, behind which is a Mac Mini M1 using Roon, playing FLAC/ALAC and Qobuz.

    I compared the MJ3 directly to my DNA Stratus and my solid state amp, the Raal Requisite HSA1b. Hot take: the MJ3 isn’t all that far behind the Stratus (which costs 3x as much), and it’s better for orthos than the HSA 1b (which I have for my Raal SR1a). I also tried the SR1a out of the MJ3, using the Raal transformer interface box, the TI-1b. The MJ3 drove the SR1a adequately. I didn't have the compensation barrels for the SR1a and had to improvise a bass shelf with EQ, so I won't comment on the quality of the pairing except to say the SR1a wasn't underpowered.


    Settings
    feedback on or off?
    Off: sounds sweeter, cleaner, more pristine, more expansive, highs are clearer, more energetic and snappy and macrodynamic. Much more engaging.

    high or low gain?
    I prefer high gain for the LCD-4 and low gain with the RD-4z. For the latter, low gain sounds more energetic and open, more lively and with more macrodynamic contrast.

    push-pull vs single-ended class A
    I’m not sure, it’s harder to tell the difference here, and I’d need to evaluate it carefully. It’s not different enough that I cared to scrutinize it, especially given the limited time of the loaner tour. I preferred just to enjoy myself with the amp in single-ended class A as it sounds so glorious.


    Impressions
    The Mjolnir 3 is simply one of the best amps I’ve ever heard – not that I’ve heard that many – and it’s my favorite Schiit amp. For reference, I’ve owned the two previous Mjolnirs, a Rag 1.5, Jot 2, Magni 3, Piety, and I got to hear the Lyr + on an sbaf loaner tour.

    A common characteristic of the Schiit amps I’ve heard is the up-front staging, which makes for an aural equivalent of sitting in a movie theater’s front row. This lack of depth is the fundamental reason why I’ve let go of my Schiit amps. Fortunately, the Mjolnir 3 does not suffer from this deficiency. Music is projected forward in front of you, to an extent, and there’s adequate front-to-back staging, i.e. being able to discern the origin of sounds as either nearer or farther away. There’s not as much depth as I’ve heard with other amps. But it’s good enough and isn’t troublesome.

    And that’s it: there’s nothing else I dislike about the amp or find lacking. Sure, it could mimic some of the bloom and other magical qualities of tube amps. But that's to be expected, and the MJ3 might be the best solid state amp I’ve heard, apart from the DSHA 3F or the Black Widow 2, both of which I heard auditioned only briefly and can’t really comment on. It resolves as well as many higher-price amps like the Holo Bliss.

    The amp is pretty neutral, as is my RD-4z. There may be a hint of inner warmth to the amp. And I hear clear differences between the presentation from the two DACs:
    • The Wavedream strikes me as a pretty neutral DAC, and the Mjolnir 3 reflects this; the Yggdrasil A2 is warm and also more aggressive, and so becomes the Mjolnir 3
    • The Wavedream’s bass isn’t very pronounced, nor is it on the MJ3; the Yggdrasil has that nice fulsome, rich Moffat bass, and so too does the MJ3
    • There’s no treble emphasis with the MJ3 and there’s likewise no roll off
      • The Wavedream is outstanding for treble clarity, liquidity, and beautiful sparkly extension, and this comes through clearly with the MJ3, as does the rougher treble of the Yggdrasil
    • The mids are simply wonderful: I hear no bothersome unevenness or recession
      • Vocals as slightly set back with the Wavedream as compared with the Yggdrasil, and the MJ3 reveals this difference, too.

    The MJ3 slams nicely. Macrodynamics are strong without being overdone. Transients are snappy but not overly sharp; they have a slight roundedness to them. The MJ3 isn’t an overly smooth amp but it renders textures very well. At first, I thought I could hear a bit of roughness – some textured grit, perhaps, possibly in the treble – but that sensation soon faded and might have owed something to coming from the lovely, pure treble of the Stratus. Some Schiit amps like the Jot 2 have a graininess to their sound. Not the MJ3. It sounds highly transparent. It’s pristine and limpid even. And it’s not in the least bit sterile, like a Phonitor X (which I used to own). Instead, the MJ3 has some slight wetness/liquidity. It also has a nicely balanced tonal density, neither weighty nor light but just right.

    The staging is very good. There’s a decent amount of height and lots of width. As noted above, the depth is adequate. Taken together, there’s a mildly holographic quality to the presentation. Imaging, layering, and separation are all outstanding qualities, among the best I’ve heard. The Wavedream is a clear step up from the Yggdrasil in these respects, and the MJ3 keeps up with it. The MJ3 also does exceptionally well at providing air and space around instruments.

    Where the MJ3 also excels is in resolution. The Wavedream is a bit more resolving than the Yggdrasil, and its superior imaging and separation also contribute to the sense of hearing more detail. The MJ3 comes very close to the resolving ability of the Stratus. The Stratus wins for microdynamics and those other subtle nuances. But, again, the MJ3 doesn’t come far behind.

    The MJ3 retains something of the exciting presentation of the previous two Mjolnirs while being less aggressive and more engaging. I found myself listening intently to music. The MJ3 also works for just kicking back and relaxing.


    Comparisons from memory (in broad strokes as I wouldn’t put much stock in my memory)

    vs Mjolnir 1

    • has more depth
    • the 3 is less aggressive; it doesn’t have quite the sharpness of the transients, i.e. is more rounded
    • the 3 has treble that’s not glinting or troublesome
    • it's wetter/more liquid; the 1 can be a bit dry
    • the 3's more refined, is more holographic, and is similarly clear and transparent sounding, but with a bit more warmth, perhaps, or mellowness
    • it's likewise fun and powerful, having less slam (but enough) and offering plenty of macrodynamic contrast
    • The MJ3 is much more resolving.

    vs Mjolnir 2
    • the 3 has more depth
    • it has less slam and macrodynamic contrast, but not by much
    • it's much more resolving
    • other qualities are hard to compare given the tube rolling options of the MJ2

    vs Bliss
    • both are similarly resolving and refined presentations
    • the Bliss wins for depth and smoothness (the smoothness of the Bliss arguably goes too far)
    • The Mjolnir 3 wins for slam and macrodynamic strength (the Bliss sounds damped)
    • Both are similarly liquid
    • I can’t comment on tonality and timbre from memory except to say I prefer the MJ3


    Conclusion
    I’m sorry for gushing. This is quite the remarkable amp. Outside of the DSHA 3F and the Black Widow 2, it’s my favorite solid state amp, and I’d rather have this than the Bliss. If I had to downgrade from the Stratus and have a single amp and pair of headphones, right now I could go for this and the RD-4z and ride off happily into the sunset. Thank you so much for letting be able to hear this gem of a headphone amp!
     
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    Glad it worked out for you. I am always worried I give wrong impressions because YMMV, etc.

    I feel that MiB is the proper upgrade path if you liked LiM. MiB is simply a more expressive and nuanced DAC that largely keeps the timbre and delicateness of the highs of the LiM, but tilts the tonal balance up a bit, less dark. The MiB also has the NOS mode which can dense things up and roll off the top a bit like the LiM if needed.

    LiM and Mjolnir 3 sensibilities seemed too similar to each other, stacking up and resulting in too much of a good thing.
     
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    I got my silver MJ3 back in February. I loved it at first listen at the schittr the month before on my A12ts. I know iems on this behemoth, I was actually getting more volume range on the MJ3 than their midguard. I went there to try out the midguard and ended up buying an MJ3 instead. I was immediately able to hear the lush-impactful difference in audio from the midguard and my setup at home (which had the same Gungnir Multibit dac as their demo unit), but I've never really punched into that kilo-buck amp range. I've tried THX 778, NFB11, Schiits uber magni/modi stack etc. Nothing more than like 500$? I upgraded DACs when I got the THX amp with plans on springing for the matching sized amp later on.

    About a month in my left channel was dropping to 1% volume. Barely audible. Flickering the Input or power switch fixed it temporarily. I did a quick glance none of the pots were popped. Ended up driving up and dropping it off, got it back a month later. They just replaced the entire board no idea what caused it. Funny the paper did say "Happened after hours of testing". I do leave my unit on 24/7. The power switch is in a shit location, and it pulls less power than my aquarium LED's. I also have 2 fans helping to keep it cold and its often colder than my Gungnir Multibit.

    Besides that issue with my unit, I'm loving my MJ3. Its going nowhere. I swap between my LCD2Cs and HD800S every couple days. I I really like modern songs with depth and impact. I listen to a lot of random music, some electronic music like Major Lazer, Clean Bandit, Capital cities, and then some Soul music like the covers Tpain has made. "Telephone Banking by Clean Bandit" really shines on my setup. I went from listening to dull flat accurate music to now I'm sitting in a large room with audio that that has impact, more depth, more everything (compared to my thx 887). In the meantime I tried a Hifiman EF400 and it was like I was pushed back into a box. (Keep in mind I cant put my Gungnir Multibit into the EF400 aswell, it has its own DAC) It sounded "decent" but not "amazing". Im going to send that one out for hifiman's new 300$ DAC upgrade for fun.

    Switch wise I like them all pushed down. The feedback mode was 98% the same as full class A to me, but there was just something missing. Can't really tell what it is, but its not there.

    Colors aren't a spot on match, but if you squint they're both silver. Sad they didnt have a knob upgrade option to get the killer milled ones they stopped making because yield was too low. :(
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    When I went by the Schittr. Always fun messing with the hosts by making Kanye pop up on their shared ROON server.
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    Thank you SBAF and Schiit for the opportunity to hear this amp! It really makes a difference getting to try out the amp with a Dac and headphones that I know well vs an unfamiliar chain at a store or a meet.

    My chain is the following: Roon via PC -> FMC converter-> Weiss Dac502 MkII (via built in Ethernet streamer) -> MJ3 -> DCA E3 or Raal Ca-1a w/ Star 8 cable (the upgraded silver cable). I’ll be comparing the Mjolnir to the built in headphone output of the Weiss or a modded EC Aficionado.

    As others have said, the Mjolnir 3 has the warmth and richness that I’ve heard in good tube amps. I settled on SE mode, high gain, and no feedback when using it with both the E3 and the Ca-1a, and the most notable thing for me was the dimension and tactility of things like clapping, drum hits, or cymbals. Not sure if this is because of good technical/resolving ability or what, but when I compare the MJ3 to the built in headphone output of the Weiss, the MJ3 feels like the sound is surrounding me while the Weiss feels like the sound is flat and in front of me. It’s like the MJ3 is a vivid 3D image while the Weiss headphone out is a 2D picture. I can’t say if it’s a power difference because I don’t think Weiss publishes the power of its headphone out, but whatever the case the MJ3 is a notable upgrade to the headphone out. The only downside is convenience because the MJ3 takes a long time to warm up compared to the Weiss.

    The comparison between the MJ3 and the EC Aficionado was more interesting to me. I should preface this comparison by saying that I believe my Aficionado sounds different compared to most other Aficionados out there. I made 3 major changes (thank you to @Josh Schor for the inspiration): 1) I switched the coupling caps to Duelund silver foil 0.1 uF caps. 2) I had the power supply modifier to use 83 mercury rectifier tube. 3) switched the volume pot to a TKD pot (the space is too small to put a Khozmo stepped attenuator). The silver caps made the biggest difference by adding much needed warmth and richness to the amp. The headstage is probably not as wide compared to before when I used Jupiter copper caps, but I feel like the headstage has more depth now and is more coherent, all while maintaining the same technical abilities, if not slightly improving them. I say this all because the MJ3 sounded similar to my modded Aficionado from a warmth and richness standpoint, but not as good technically. One advantage the MJ3 has over the Aficionado is that it has better control of bass. With the E3, the bass felt tighter and more coherent with the rest of the frequency with the MJ3 compared to the Aficionado, and I preferred the E3 with the MJ3 despite the slight loss in resolution and headstage. In contrast, I liked the Ca-1a more on the Aficionado as it benefits from the improved technical abilities of the Aficionado and doesn’t really have an issue with the loose bass. The Ca-1a sounds good with the MJ3, and I’d be happy with the Mjolnir if I also had other headphones, but there is a synergy with the Raal and the Aficionado (and possibly with the Weiss; I haven’t tried another DAC, but I think the strengths of the Weiss add to the strengths of the Ca-1a and Aficionado) that, for me, is hard to beat.

    Overall, I enjoyed my time with the Mjolnir 3. I can definitely see why it has gotten rave reviews, and I see it as a great option for people looking for great sound without spending thousands of dollars.
     
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    First, I want to thank Schiit and the SBAF loaner program for giving me the chance to hear this amp. I've been really excited to hear the Mjolnir 3 since it was announced, and getting to spend a week with it was spectacular. This is the highest-end headphone amplifier that I've listened to outside of an audio show, and it's really something else to get to know it in your own system.

    My main headphone is a 2021 LCD-X, though I briefly tried out the HD650 as well. I found that Mjolnir 3 really played well with the planar headphone, and just never plugged in the HD650 again. The rest of my chain was as follows: Roon -> Mercury V2 Streamer -> Gungnir Multibit -> Freya S -> Mjolnir 3. Due to the availability of balanced outputs and cables, I left the Freya S -> Mjolnir connection as single-ended. I tested out the balanced connection directly to the DAC, as well as the balanced connection through the Freya S. I did not find that this was significantly different from the single-ended connection through the Freya S (with the preamp in passive mode) except for the overall higher gain.

    The first impression I had was that this amp is sort of an ergonomics nightmare. TL;DR Mjolnir 3 needs the standby switch on the front, like Schiit's power amps. I placed it into my rack, flipped it on, and walked away as the loaner thread talks about the amp needing a warmup period. The amp was nice and toasty when I came back in 30 minutes, and I had a great first listening session. The trouble began when I reached behind to flip the switch off-- the top of the amp was beyond warm and well into the painfully hot regime. It's been 85+ degrees everyday here in Maryland, so that may color some of my annoyance at the heat, but I found myself not enjoying sitting next to Mjolnir. This headphone amp seems to radiate more heat into the room than Tyr, overwhelming my air conditioning during extended listening sessions! I experimented with skipping the warmup period, which definitely kept the temperatures lower at the cost of the sound. I found that Mjolnir picked up a bit of grit when it's cold.

    Overall, I really enjoyed the sound of Mjolnir 3. Side-by-side against my Liquid Platinum, there was simply no contest. With the right combination of switches, Mjolnir really impressed with its detail retrieval, dynamics & slam, and the width of the sound stage.
    • With regards to detail retrieval, I feel like I'm being held back by the resolution of my DAC. Mjolnir showed me everything that I get through Tyr and the Maggies.
    • For dynamics and slam, Mjolnir had a very convincing sense of dynamics throughout the mid and treble-- places that I'm not used to noticing that. There's something about the thick, round, wet tone that makes that dynamism stand out up high.
    • Staging was quite wide, though there was the same sort of shallowness to the front-back that I've noticed on other Schiit headamps (Magnius, Jotunheim). It's not something that bothers me particularly, both others might.
    One thing I would ding slightly is that I felt the bass wasn't as full and responsive as with the Liquid Platinum, at least in the Mjolnir's single-ended mode. I'm curious if this is attributable to the power output (Mjolnir 3 is rated at 2W into 32 Ohms, vs Liquid Platinum's 6.6W into 32 Ohm) or if it's a voicing decision. That said, I didn't feel like I noticed the bass being particularly weak when I stopped switching back-and-forth between amps and quickly stopped caring about the difference. I'll also mention that putting Mjolnir 3 into push-pull pretty much made this issue go away.

    Pairing with the LCD-X, I found that liked the amp switches set to low gain, single-ended, feedback on.
    • I heard a fair amount of noise into the LCD-X on high-gain, even with nothing playing, so I stuck to low gain. I did have a noise-free experience with high-gain with my older pre-fazor LCD-2, which is much lower sensitivity.
    • Comparing single-ended and push-pull, I found that I preferred the detail retrieval provided by single-ended over the greater bass support from the push-pull.
    • Feedback was subtler, but I felt that the sound opened up just ever so slightly when feedback was turned on.
    I really enjoyed having the opportunity to compare all of these settings, but I feel like I would never change these once I found the winning combo.

    Overall, Mjolnir 3 is a really great sounding headphone amplifier, but I think it's not for me. The class A sound kicks ass but comes with usability compromises, at least for me in my current living space.
     
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    1st and always, thanks to SBAF for organizing this loaner. At the risk of sounding like I'm kissing butt (and wholeheartedly not giving a duck) my audio journey wouldn't be half as fulfilling without this community and the generosity y'all have bestowed upon me. I'm getting ready for a bit of an audio upheaval (I think) and being able to hear the gear I'm interested in is priceless.

    My chain is my HP EliteDesk to my OG Bifrost 2 to the Mjolnir 3 playing mostly FLAC & some MP3s via JRiver. I used the ZMF Bokeh I had on hand, my ETA Mini-O as well as the Mini-S. Even my HiFiMan 400i (with ZMF's HiFiMan pads) sounded better than ever. The real star of the show was the ZMF Atrium which sounded about as good as I've ever heard it.

    As you can tell, I really don't have any power hungry cans, so I left push-pull to SE, and feedback to off. I didn't hear an appreciable difference with feedback on, and the manual sad it might be helpful with hard to drive cans. I Mostly used high gain but low gain sounded just as good to me. I didn't experience any unwanted vibrations, and the temperature never seemed to be excessive. Toward the end of my time with the Mjolnir 3, I discovered the well recessed fins that do seem to get hot to the touch, so the hot spot is localized. Emphasis on well recessed, I only really noticed them when I tried to find the hot spot.

    Build quality is terrific; everything is solid, nothing felt loose. Switches switched with a satisfying thunk, and the volume knob feel was just right for my preferences. The inner amp orange glow was nice too IMO. Ergonomically, I get why there are complaints about the on/off to being on the back. That would probably be my only real complaint, though it wasn't an issue in my temporary set up on a stand next to my setup.

    The sound quality is really top notch. Better writers than I have already waxed poetic (and prolific) already, but my quick take is this is one solid-solid state amp. I'm not a fan of the stereotypes of a SS amp sounding tube-like, and vice-versa because IME (limited though it may be) the sound of an amp has to do more with the design ad quality of parts than a particular topology, at least nowadays with the plethora of gear available.

    That being said, there is a certain liquidity to the sound I think which might play more to the stereotypical tube amp. That and the solid headstage, which is also a trait associated with tubes. I hesitate to use the word 'liquidity', because I don't find the amp to be particularly sluggish, but it might have more to do with the decay others have mentioned. Plenty 'O Slam too.

    Bass is solid and not overblown. Authoritative when called for, and out of the way when it's not. great definition and texture. Mids sound just right for my tastes. Never shouty or recessed. Treble wasn't etched nor piercing, but had good presence nonetheless. Not a bright amp to be sure, but still detailed. A terrific trick to pull off, but Schiit managed to do it, with a wide coherent headstage to boot.

    This amp absolutely trounces my ifi Pro iCAN. Don't get me wrong the ifi is a wonderfully versatile amp, and it sounds really good for the most part. Basically it does little wrong for my tastes, but I was never itching to power up the ifi. I used it more for desktop IEM listening, or maybe popping on the Koss KSC-75 while surfing YouTube. While I had the Schiit in house, I was always wondering when I was going to get a chance to give it a listen again.

    So now I have a quandary. I am getting ready for an upgrade (or likely a series of upgrades) and I have to figure out where to start. I'll likely replace both my SS & tube amp at some point, but I'm pretty sure I know what SS amp I'm jonesing for. If @schiit really is making this a limited run, I might have to start here in fear of this becoming unobtanium. So...Thanks. I think.
     
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    Yggdrasil MiB + Mjolnir 3 is a solid combo. Pretty hard to beat for the money IMHO.
     
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