Topping DACs?

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by etane, May 6, 2020.

  1. Walderstorn

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    For those who don't want to watch it..buy Bifrost.
     
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    currawong is no EEVblog Dave when it comes to touring the insides of electronics products, but he does seem honest and thoughtful in his observations. The video did prompt me to look into the technology of the AD5781 DAC used in the Bifrost. I had to go to the referenced patent to get an idea of how the internal calibration works. The current DAC calibrated R-2R DAC concept seems pretty cool, not to mention all of the DSP that is going on with the Bifrost. Clearly there is a lot to be learned just on the technical side to mastering DAC design. Respect to the ADI engineers and to Mike Moffat. By contrast the Topping DACs do seem to earn the cookie cutter label.
     
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    Or, just buy a Modi 3 and spend all that extra money on speakers or headphones.
     
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    We’re goddamn Mongolians here who keep destroying shitty gear.
     
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    Agreed 100%, fuck audiosciencereview, that bullshit cult website are shills for Topping. This D90 sounds horrid. It's so lifeless, I think there is more life at the damn morgue than this!
     
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    I read somewhere they actually mean it as the gerund of "to top".
     
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    Funny. I find it very very natural (whatever this means, to me it means that it does not sound forced, that the delivery is effortless), not fatiguing at all, precise, not exaggerating anything, with a well layered, deep stage, with precise and stable source positioning, with just the right amount of air, a wealth of detail (all the plankton you need), plenty of macro- and micro-dynamics.

    This, with its ruler flat response, perfect channel separation, essentially no distortion, tells me this is a reference DAC, and if something sounds wrong, it must be somewhere else in the chain, or in the pairing of components.
     
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    Although as a verb it actually has a very different connotation... :eek::oops: or :punk::mad:o_O depending on your relative positions on the y-axis.
     
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    Topping.. The SPR Coffee of DACs
     
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    I think topping is derived from their chinese name 拓品's cantonese pronounciation, and don't have a particular meaning, just like other chi-fi companys e.g. xduoo/gustard.

    For me personally, as a Hong Konger with access to taobao, if I want a cheap chi-fi cookie cutter dac to "head the sound of the chip", I would go for something from weiliang(breeze audio/nobsound/brzhifi same company) or gustard, both on aliexpress I think. If I want better chi-fi with some proper engineering there's singxer and holo audio, heck there's even a Rockna wavedream knockoff in the Chinese market going for around $1.5k. Topping and SMSL you are basically paying $100 to $300 premium for aggressive overseas marketing.
     
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    I was not sure whether to post this in the ASRR thread or here, but here is "A Real Monster" DAC. D90SE, priced at $899.
    https://www.tpdz.net/productinfo/645180.html

    Here is Amir's review:
    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-d90se-review-balanced-dac.24235/

    While I understand the appeal of this type of device to the people that need a myriad of inputs/outputs and preamp functionality, I just cannot get excited about its price point, especially considering their own D30 Pro, which is priced at $399.

    As for the whole "best measuring evah device" marketing spiel, there are $99 DACs that are already transparent - case closed.
     
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    This is the perfect example of the kind of customer ASR tries to breed. Antithetical to their "original" propagated philosophy and stance.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I was not sure if he was serious or sarcastic.
     
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    You'd have to admit it is a pretty impressive technological accomplishment. Yet, I still want to know how it sounds.

    They overloaded and broke my sarcasm detector. It's comedy gold to my mind.

    If ASR truly believes that people can't hear a difference, surely we are well beyond the point they should disappear in a puff of logic.
     
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    I'm pretty sure he means that ironically. As in "oh yeahh, some extra SINAD" /s
    I mean, I do hope that's what he means. A joke. :confused:
     
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    Same, though not enough to spend $900 just to find out that the review sample was cherry-picked while retail units have a (still-inaudible) SINAD of 80dB, sound like every other ESS DAC, and sport that lovely Topping UI.
     
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    0.13 SINAD per dollar, objectively speaking not a good value. In fact, quite poor.
     
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    So I have the D90 and D90SE in at the moment.

    A few manufacturers after my MQA video had told me that MQA was pressuring them to use the MQA 'renderer' upsampling filter for ALL content even if it isn't MQA. (Done because MQA can cause issues with gapless playback on some hardware).

    Seems topping is one of the manufacturers doing that.....
    The d90 MQA pretends to have selectable filters, it does not.

    I'm banned from ASR but if anyone wants to post this and ask John Yang on ASR about it feel free.
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    Note: D90SE doesn't have this issue. Just D90
     
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