Verum 2 Review and Measurements

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  1. purr1n

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is some baggage with this, discussed in another thread. I've said it before: we need to acknowledge the dumbassery (including against SBAF members) yet at the same time admit that this dude makes good stuff. TBH, I don't want to hear apologists making excuses for bad behavior; but at the same time, people deserve second chances. He's still on thin ice and I won't hold anything against people for not wanting to support Verum.

    Igor asked if I wanted to check out the the Verum 2 a while back and I answered, sure why not. The design is kind of blingy, at least this particular unit. It's a departure from the DeLaurentis version of Dune styled Verum 1. The Verum 2 with its ornamentation reminds me a bit of the St. Michael's Golden Domed Monastery in Kyiv.

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    I took a quick listen of the Verum 2 from my bedroom setup (ET3->MILF DAC->MJ3) and I thought: damn this is good! Included with the headphone was two sets of pads. One set was very slightly thinner and pleather all around with a vent. The other one was slightly thicker but thinner things, a velvet felt face, and pleather on the sides, and no vent. I think the first one with the vent was flatter but with a maybe a slight rise in the highs. I decided to do with the second set of pads without the vent, which sounded mid-centric to me. There's definitely a small bump in the mids, but otherwise I found the tonal signature quite flat and eerily similar to the ETA Mini C. Generally I would say that setups that synergized with the Mini C seemed to work well with the Verum 2. I preferred darker sounding DAC/amps.

    In other respects, the Verum 2 sounds like a more mature version of the Verum 1. Things are tighter (as opposed to loose) with snappier transients and focused delivery. The possible downside is that the presentation is a bit drier. The Verum 2 also scales much better with better gear. (It was a let down coming from the MILF/MJ3 to the MMB1/Piety). Another thing I should mention is that while there was decent bass extension, the Verum 2 differs from well-known orthos such as Audezes in that it doesn't quite have that monster bass heft. Heck, the Verum 2 doesn't slam like the HFM HEKs either, but on the other hand, the lows are very controlled and do not exhibit the bouncy-bounce bass of the HEKs. I just wanted to expectations properly. The bottom line from a night of listening is that I found myself lost into the music, and that I could care less about describing it's sound or paying attention to technical aspects.

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    I will return with frequency response measurements tomorrow.
     
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    @purr1n Any info on release time frame or price?
     
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    Usual deal...

    Verum 2 - Hybrid Pads (no vent)
    Frequency Response
    Comp'd to DF
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    Verum 2 - Hybrid Pads (no vent)
    Frequency Response
    Comp'd DF to 1db/Octave Downward Slope
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    These were with the hybrid pads with no vent. As I mentioned earlier flattish with mid-emphasis. The bit of reticent slam (compared to other orthos known for this) is not indicated in the frequency response here. We can see that the lows track Audeze headphones well, but these just don't slam or have that massive bass heft.

    (UPDATE, vented pads = more slam - https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...iew-and-measurements.14130/page-2#post-423969)

    Interestingly, there's a bit of peak at 7kHz. I didn't detect a treble sharpness or sizzle. At times I would say the Verum 2 could be overall bright, but never nails in my ears. So this is what I mean by that I prefer a darker sounding setup with the Verum 2, e.g. MMB1 as darkish source with neutral amp or MJ3 darkish amp with MILF DAC.

    I would be curious to examine the CSD so see what's up in the highs. That peak is there on the frequency response, but I just hear don't it as needles.
     
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    No idea.

    Maybe Verum is designing a portal to send Putin into hell?
     
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    Does this one still do the vintage ortho thicker-than-HFM-and-Audeze note weight thing, similar degree of microdynamic nuance and texture that folk really liked on the original? Voicing reminds me of Focal a bit, how's layering of the headstage (I'm sorry haha) relative to something like the HD600s or another known good dynamic?

    BTW your graphs still have ZMF Bokeh in the legends, that one surprised me a bit, haha.
     
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    Thanks for the review.
    I think Verum 2 looks even better than Verum 1 mk2.
    Is there any info about the magnet structure? eg: Single or Dual sided magnets and Bar magnets just like in Verum 1 or Ring magnets like in Final Audio D8000 series?
     
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    Man, I really liked the mellowness of Verum 1, seems like they went for better technical stuff just like many other ortho brands? And then there are these straight downward cable sockets. It's like my 2 favorite things about Verum 1 are all gone...
     
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    Glad im not the only one wondering. Seems that they went into a new direction altogether that (just by the FR) they should have made a new model as opposed to a "2".

    Agreed that by this little information it seems that what i enjoyed about the most (and hence why they are 1 of only 2 i own) is gone or severely limited...but hey if it scales better with gear and if (like the 1st) is easily affected by pads and soft modding, it can still be interesting.
     
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    "Modhouse Tungsten / ZMF Caldera join the ring" - only because there is no known price.

    Where do these stand on the MavyMeter? SpiderMarv chart against something triangulation Ly comparable?

    Which way are planars going these days? All over the place it seems... Do these move any sort of meter that is worth wearing that design?

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    Are these also super low impedance like the Verum 1?
     
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    No idea. I'd have to defer to @Garuspik.

    Yeah, the Verum 2 is definitely a change in presentation. Again, I didn't have any problems getting involved into the music, it certainly scales more than the Verum 1 with better upstream components. However, although the Verum 1 was hardly a tour-de-force with regards to technicalities (e.g., wasn't super resolving, a bit loose sounding,), I just loved the Verum for as you said, it's mellowness, easygoing nature, and especially timbre. The Verum 1 with all its entry level warts was just charming. (A member's family loved by Verum 1 so much that I let them keep it - and I do miss the Verum 1).

    With respect to the Verum 2's bass, I found that it can be more explosive with less seal. Will measure the pads with the vent next as well as impedance.
     
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    Hello. Thanks for the opportunity.
    Verum 2 indeed is much more technical headphones, but my efforts were concentrated to make them balanced and by no means thin sounding. Lets wait for measurements of pads with vents and I'll speak a bit more about tech behind Verum 2 and what's inside.

    Here are some additional photos of other colors. Without any postprocessing (except raw correction) or studio light.

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    Verum 2 is physically significantly smaller (about 20mm less wide cup, 5 mm thinner and -15mm in length) then V1 but at the same time has driver with bigger active area, 50 grams lighter and has some not widely seen features to eliminate hot spot. On lower photo you can clearly see that headstrap touches girls head by ~70% of area instead of touching in almost one spot.
     
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    @Garuspik just speaking as someone with weird shoulders, any intention of maybe rotating the cups so that the connectors angle out towards the front a bit? I can see why some people aren't a fan of them dropping straight down. But yeah, curious what changes there've been.
     
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    Absolutely, I plan to add an angle. But for prototypes i've made one mould and both cups are identical. Just to save time and cost.
    But headphones are not big and connector is not below a cup. So no problem at all even in current variant.
     
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    This deserves more than just a quote. I whole hearteadly agree that angle is much better than just straight down. This was a big plus for me, comparing to other headphones.

    You talked about different finishes. How many are you considering? Also is price already decided?
     
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    Verum 2 CSD Lch
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    Verum 2 CSD Rch
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    There are the typical ortho ripples. Bump between 1-2kHz (which is audible). Small ridge at 7kHz (which didn't some off as sharp or objectional to me). Also 12kHz - which I'm probably at the age where I can't hear much.
     
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    Sneak peak at distortion near 100db SPL. Wow. A bit of second order, but look at the lows. No distortion. Probably why I mentioned it's a bit drier, less slammy, but more taut and articulate than other orthos.

    I will do distortion surface later.

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    Thanks @purr1n for measurements.
    Indeed, very low distortion controlled all over the band "fast" csd. Please note how those tails are narrow and quickly disappear. I also want to see how Verum 2 will behave on your stand with vented pads. It'll add bass/midbass hump.

    I plan to have 3 finishes:
    - Pearl (as shown on photo in start post).
    - Metallic red
    - Yellow

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    Price... Retail price between 400-450$
    But to achieve such price i need funds: new moulds, stamps for bending metal, laser for evaporating thin film metal, cutting tool for leather, tools for fast assembling etc.

    So again I'll need to go to crowdfunding. Price at Kickstarter will be +- Verum 1 level.

    What you see on photos are fully functional prototypes but they're made literally by hand. Not assembled by hand, but exactly made. Self cost is ridiculous right now.
     

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