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Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by Rotijon, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. winders

    winders boomer

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    What position is the USB mode switch on the back of your Hegel HD25 DAC set to? A or B?
     
  2. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    I wouldn't worry about it for two reasons:
    1. I doubt there is any signal / information past 96kHz for "hires" material. You can always run a spectrum analysis to be certain. 192kHz sampling rate is more useful for mixing and mastering in the digital domain where data is being combobulated.
    2. Expounding on #1, we audiophiles have a tendency to get overly neurotic and waste time listening to cables, sampling rates, capacitors, and tubes. I sometimes have to "reset" or "center, clarity, peace, serenity" in order to listen to music again. The time wasted on Schiity support (to get dubious gains with sounds quality) could have been better spent looking for new music or better masters of music in your current collection.
    3. The Hegel HD25 DAC that you are using lops off anything after 48kHz anyway with a low pass filter, regardless of over 96kHz sampling rate. The only difference from the 96kHz filter at higher rates is a gentler knee.
    Low pass filter response. 44.1kHz (orange curve), 96kHz (violet), 176.4kHz (blue).
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    source: http://www.avmentor.net/reviews/2014/hegel_hd25_2.shtml
     
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    My Eitr has the same bug with a dac1541. I haven’t bothered contacting support because I don’t care for reasons Marvey listed above (and because I don’t hear much difference from the 1541’s USB so only use the Eitr to have an extra input to the DAC). That aside, the problem definitely exists with some units.
     
  4. oldbigears

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    I've tried both positions. I think I've tried every combination of products, multiple times. The only time I can play 192K is when I take the Eitr out of the chain. It plays fine up to 24/96, but no higher.
     
  5. oldbigears

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    Thanks for your reply. Most of it flew right over my head but I absolutely concur that upsampling is a pretty pointless exercise - at least, with my equipment. Occasionally, for some specific recordings, I find that the Roon minimum phase filter combined with upsampling to 24/88 can take rough edges off some pieces of music - but most of the time I find that it just flattens and contracts the soundstage. So I tend to agree with your philosophy of just ignoring the issue and enjoying the music. But it bugs me that my Eitr might be underperforming in other ways, if it's not able to to deliver it's quoted performance.
     
  6. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    ^^^ There's only one way to find out. Pull it from your chain...
     
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    Perhaps just a software/driver issue?
     
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    It might be a driver problem. The Eitr advertises the higher rates to Audirvana, but produces no sound for those files.
     
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    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    The 24/96 limitation sounds like USB Class 1 mode. Are you using Windows @gepardcv?
     
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    Senorx12562 Case of the mondays

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    Not if he's using Audirvana, I think.
     
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    I'm using a MacBook Pro, through a microRendu (although the same issue occurs if I go direct). Most of the time I use Roon 1.3 - sometimes Audirvana 3. Same problem with either. Thanks for everyone's consideration. Schiit have suggested that I start the process for sending my Eitr back to them. I'm weighing that up. I really don't want to not have it for weeks while they figure out what to do. My only limitation is that it doesn't play higher res files.
     
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    I've figured it out....the 'problem' seems to be that my Hegel HD25 only plays 24/192K files when used with USB. The coax from my Eitr is limited to 24/96. So it's not a fault with my Eitr - just me being dumb and not reading the Hegel specs carefully. Thanks once again to all of you for your helpful information. Back to enjoying the music.
     
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    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    Doh, never used Audirvana. I just assume almost everything is available for Windows too.
     
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    Wouldn't a retraction of your earlier flaming at Schiit be in order? Some reconsideration of who's "comically incompetent" in this episode?
     
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    I knew optical was often limited to 24/96. But wondered of coax could have the same issue...
     
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    I was thinking about that....I certainly need to apologize to "Schiit" for any implication of a malfunctioning product, although I believe I gave them a good plug for the SQ of Eitr.

    Concerning their customer service....yes, it was not impressive. I could have mentioned in my posts that the guy repeatedly asked the same questions, or offered up dumb solutions. For example, once he'd finally absorbed that I use a MacBook Pro he then suggested I connect it by Toslink to my 'audio device', seemingly forgetting that this device is an Eitr, which doesn't have a Toslink input. As so it went on, back and forth.

    But hey, he's not to know that the Hegel DAC doesn't do 24/192 on coax - that fact took some deep research to establish, but that's another story. In the end, I got to the bottom of the issue and I'm truly sorry if I offended any Schiit fans out there. Once again, for the record, the Eitr has been one of the best additions to my system.
     
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    There is a saying that goes like this.
    When you find yourself in a hole, the first order of business is to stop digging, or you wind up disappearing from view due to the depth of your self created hole.

    Respect is earned not bestowed.

    Just say'n is all.

    JJ
     
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    Notice this phrase doesn’t exist without an “a hole”
     
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    I'm comfortable enough with my small dick to use the $179 Eitr.
     
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    Sorry if asked and answered but I looked though the whole thread and could not find a definitive answer from a user with first hand experience. Will the Eitr pass through Tidal HiFI MQA to an MQA capable DAC like the Brooklyn? I ask because of Schiit's well known stance against MQA.
     

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