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  1. rlow
    rlow
    Potentially a powered USB hub. If you want one specifically for audio, a Schiit Wyrd (if you can find one used since they’re discontinued) or an Uptone Regen. There may be others, but not aware.
    Oct 23, 2020
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  2. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    How about the Jitterbug?
    Oct 23, 2020
  3. jexby
    jexby
    iFi iPurifier 3 ?
    Oct 23, 2020
  4. rlow
    rlow
    Jitterbug is not powered I don’t think. Problem is, if the pops and clicks are due to power drops, this won’t help, it’s just a passive filter. What’s your USB setup?
    Oct 23, 2020
  5. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    Laptop to DAP using USB DAC mode. Two DAPs give me pops and crackles with default, Wasapi and Asio.
    Oct 23, 2020
  6. rlow
    rlow
    Long USB cable? Cheap USB cable? Did you try a different USB port on the laptop?
    Oct 23, 2020
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  7. rlow
    rlow
    Apparently driver problems can cause this as well, even drivers for other devices for things like graphics chips etc, they can hog resources from USB devices. Also, power settings can be adjusted in some cases for your USB. May want to make sure everything is up to date and google some things before buying a new device (which may not fix it).
    Oct 23, 2020
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  8. bixby
    bixby
    @rlow is on point. In addition, you could adjust the buffer on asio to see if that helps. also check to see if the dap firmware or drivers have changed. And certain versions of Windows have been know to f**k up USB audio. A win update may or may not help. The pops are timing problems. And why are you going from a source to a source?
    Oct 23, 2020
  9. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    Have tried a few different cables and both usb ports, updated drivers have and have win 10 up to date. Still the pops and crackles come and go.

    @ bixby - I prefer navigating with foobar and using the DAP as a USB DAC keeps the battery charged.
    Oct 23, 2020
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  10. bixby
    bixby
    Have you tried another player, just curious? Like JRiver or even VLC? If your buffer is high on Foobar, have you tried going down to 1000 or even lower?
    Oct 23, 2020
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  11. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    I should add, I also do a lot of listening to youtube and podcasts on my pc.

    I thought a higher buffer is better against pops? I've got it at 1000. I'm playing around with it on the Cayin driver.
    Oct 23, 2020
  12. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    Havent tried another player. Youtube seems to be pop free.
    Oct 23, 2020
  13. bixby
    bixby
    I am going to try something over the weekend. I have a dac that exhibits some rando clicks just like you get when I use the ASIO driver and Tidal. When I switch back to wasapi it is fine. My theory is that I am using this desktop to do lots of web surfing as I listen to music. BAAAD idea for best sound. Let me confirm but it could be irq issues.
    Oct 23, 2020
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  14. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Something that bad from could be caused by DPC Latency. There are free tools to check. You might find it easy to fix, eg by disabling some driver, or a complete nightmare. Plague for an audio PC. When I had it, a decade ago, I eventually... simply got a new machine :/

    It's been ten years (thank god)... Google can advise further better than I can
    Oct 24, 2020
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  15. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    It's probably premature to celebrate, but I followed @Thad E Ginathom's advice and googled DPC latency. I found a suggestion to use Intel Driver & Support Assistant. It told me I needed to update my WIFI and BT driver (not sure why Lenovo's software updater didn't tell me to do this). Anyway since installing, the pops are gone. Since my BT is off, I suspect it was a bum WIFI driver. Thanks for the suggestion Thad!
    Oct 24, 2020
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  16. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    Problem not all the way gone. It seems there's known USB and audio problems with win 10 version 2004, which I have.
    Oct 25, 2020
  17. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Glad to be of service. In fact, absolutely delighted that my suggestion might be even roughly right!

    Now you come to mention it, I recall wifi drivers being mentioned as a regular trouble causer way back then.

    This is one of those things that should have ceased to be a problem years ago, But hey, PCs and windows! Do run one of the DPC Latency checker tools, if they still make them for W10
    Oct 25, 2020
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  18. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    I used LatencyMon. It finds potential Wifi issues and throttling might be to blame. I was told to disable wifi and switch my power setting on my laptop to best performance to avoid throttling.

    The pops kind of come and go, but overall they've been reduced. It's all pretty mysterious to me.
    Oct 26, 2020
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  19. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    It's fairly mysterious to me too, because even though I worked in IT, as a systems manager, I never studied computer science, and have only basic ideas of function at that level. I just know that audio is considered lower priority than video and some other stuff and sometimes lower priority processes just get told to wait. The wait can be long enough to cause drop outs.
    Oct 26, 2020
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  20. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    No solution to the pops. However I have discovered that my battery has started to drain very slowly while plugged in. I have also noticed that I can hear a very faint HDD like noise when I move my mouse.

    I wonder if I have some sort of electrical issue?
    Oct 28, 2020
  21. Stuff Jones
    Stuff Jones
    Confirmed that it's the AC power source (so far). Pops went away when unplugged.
    Oct 28, 2020
  22. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    It's a laptop? It's easy to say, because I use an under-desk anyway, but I'd be disinclined to use a laptop for serious audiophiliousness. Partly because of those power supplies. No audiophoolery, I think it is accepted that they can and do put audio-affecting noise into the system. But if it's good on battery, you have a solution. As long as the battery lasts.
    Oct 29, 2020
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  23. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Except... Noise when moving the mouse is another classic DPC Latency symptom. Not necessarily because of the mouse, but because of the video: the system prioritises the display of that moving mouse.

    But shouldn't that make video impossible to watch? Good point: I don't know.
    Oct 29, 2020
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