Beyer Amiron Measurements

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  1. Klasse

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    Thank you for the measurements Marv! That looks FAR too v-shaped for my preference.
    I do consider my (slightly rare T1.1 a little bit on the V-shaped side of things but this one makes it look ruler flat by comparison)
    I wish I had my old DT990 PRO to measure and compare. Not sure why Beyer keep insisting with the huge bump at 8kHz.
    A slight raise there can be fun, and it's indeed distinctive of the Beyer house sound. More often than not, I find it less distracting than the 5-6kHz bump on HD700/800.
    But in this case we have a massive +15dB boost, that's far off the charts.
     
  2. purr1n

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    If you have one of the T1.1s, I wouldn't bother. I wish Beyer stuck with the frequency response of the T1.1 and evolved from there.
     
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    @Marvey I had a pair of T1v2 for awhile and there were times I thought they were the best I've ever heard. Very infrequent times, though, because most of the time I tore them off because of the icepick-to-the-skull effect of the treble boost. They were wonderfully comfortable, though, as long as music wasn't being played through them.

    The Beyer "middle finger" treble peak scares me on your chart. But I think you're saying that in practice it's nowhere near the T1v2's pain..? So maybe I could listen to them on a useable percentage of recordings vs less than a handful (that didn't exacerbate the spike)..?

    I'm genuinely curious, as there were shades of greatness in the T1v2... if you squinted hard enough.
     
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    (Face of pleasure, or the face of your grey matter slowly being dissolved from percussive attack?)

    The "wailing banshee" HD700's have higher 5-6khz range treble, which is generally perceived as more sibilant, but the DT990s have higher treble overall it looks like (going off GoldenEar's measurements).
     
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    I heard a HD700 through an O2.

    I think getting ice picks through the ears feels better.
     
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    Thanks for the measurements @Marvey . My first serious cans were Beyer T90's. After I got tired of taming the glare with EQ, I saw the light and got better cans. This response does not look promising. God bless my HD650's and HE-560's.
     
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    Ultrasone Pro 900 is even worse imo.
     
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    Scary.
     
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    No mention of ultrasone is ever complete without linking to this video

     
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    Thanks for linking, that was classic!!. Hadn't seen it.
     
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    want to see the DT1990 CSD etc... thx
     
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    Would also love to see DT1990 measurements. Reviewers around say it's actually got bass extension and doesn't suffer from distortion peaks as is the case of the Amiron. Maybe Beyer didn't screw up one of their new headphones? Maybe wishful thinking, but would be nice.

    I have Sonarworks, and here is the averaged frequency for the DT1990 with both the balanced and analytical pads respectively:

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    They look pretty good, looks like about the same amount of treble as the DT880, but less than the DT1770.
     
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    Does the Amiron Home have the same 20 Hz bass as the T 1 2. Generation? Your graphs show that the low frequency extension is basically the same for both models (20 Hz at -10 dB, and 100 Hz at -5 dB). However this website shows a huge improvement of +6 dB at 20 Hz for the T 1 (it's basically flat to 20 Hz).
    https://www.kopfhoerer.de/test/beyerdynamic-amiron-home/
    https://www.kopfhoerer.de/test/beyerdynamic-t-1-2nd-generation/

    I want to sell my Amiron Home and buy the T 1 2. Generation just for flat to 20 Hz bass. I find the very deepest bass lacking compared to the Shure SE846 or my calibrated home theatre. I've EQed the Amiron Home by +6 dB at 30 Hz and +3 dB at 60 Hz so it sounds similar to the SE846, but I'd prefer to run it plain.

    Does the T 1's bass actually sound flat to 20 Hz unlike the Amiron Home, perhaps due to its semi-closed design?
     
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    Not that I recall. If you like the Amiron, I would be really cautious of replacing it with the T1.2 just for the bass alone.
     
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    I don't really care about the differences above 200 Hz. I can no longer hear them after a few minutes of listening, and higher frequencies can easily be EQed if they are too extreme. You cannot however boost 20 Hz much without clipping the drivers.

    What does make a big difference to me is if one sounds like a 1000W subwoofer at 15 to 20 Hz and the other does not. Does the T 1 deliver this? The website I linked to claims it does. You will only hear this on specific tracks like Derezzed by Daft Punk.

    I'm not asking for boosted bass. I just want it to NOT roll-off above 20 Hz.
     
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  17. Mshenay

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    I loved my DT 880, I just really need to bite the bullet an get a Balanced HD 800 with mods... I would have liked to see Beyer evolve the DT 880 sound... not continue to chase after the fun glare of the dt 990,

    still I'm curious to hear this, would be nice to do a dt 880 600 ohm vs amiron listen
     
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  18. purr1n

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    T1 Gen 2 is more of the same. If you want this kind of bass you describe, consider the Fostex TH900. Clean, articulate, deep, and fairly high SPL capable.
     
  19. The Alchemist

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    @Marvey Did you get a loaner unit or do you own the Amiron and if so, any plans on a loaner program for them in the future?
     
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    The Beyerdynamic T90 is a major contender

    http://en.goldenears.net/13369
     
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