Electrostatic Vs Everything Else

Discussion in 'Headphones' started by Rotijon, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. takato14

    takato14 God of Ruin

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    The only "true" electrostat I've heard was a Stax SR-X MKIII (NB) with what was possibly a malfunctioning SRD-7SB attached to a $20 Chinese Class T amp from Amazon. Harsher highs have never been heard before.

    But I have played around with a Toshiba HR-810, which is a bipolar back-electret and essentially capable of the same performance level as a full electrostat. With mods I was able to get slamming bass out of it (!!!) without sacrificing tightness. It was a very nice headphone, one I probably should not have sold, but it was still "missing something" that was keeping me from getting involved in the music. Something I had plenty of in my Sansui SS-100 (ortho) and Pioneer Monitor 10-II (dynamic).

    *shrug*
     
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    mtoc SBAF's Resident Shit-Stirrer

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    Hi folks, sorry to bother you guys. Someone who owns a 60KG Japanese cd-transport and a expensive (about $20k) DAC from the same brand, a pair of Sr-009s, and a Stax-717 (bypass) with a $20k Preamp and a bunch of $10k cables. He said the 717 + $$$ Preamp combo sounds (much much) better than the BHSE/Electra with the same spinner/dac. Gee, is this true?
     
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    Of course not, he's just married to his preamp.
     
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    Stop speculating spending big money equals having legit experience.
     
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    mtoc SBAF's Resident Shit-Stirrer

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    lol, that guy just upgraded to the $165k many-piece transport/DAC combo....
     
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    Noone cares and quit messing up the thread.
     
  7. Rotijon

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    I remember reading a post by birgir that the 009's had some changes a 2-3 years ago, that made the highs less sharp, does anyone know which year the changes were made or a link to his post? Ive been looking for that post for some time.

    Just putting this out there just in case anyone is looking for a 009 like me.

    EDIT: In case anyone is curious, birgir confirmed that the ones past march 2014 definitely have changes made to the 009.
     
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    Allegedly there were also four silent revisions of the SR-007Mk1, three of the SR-Omega and several for other models. Incidentally quite a few people don't seem to hear a difference among the silent revisions but I imagine Birgir's industry connections and propensity to dismantle these things afford him some exclusive insight.

    IMO electrostatics are a pretty dangerous game since they're more vulnerable to cognitive bias relative to the other transducer types. The most well-known electrostatic pairings are hilariously expensive, prompting (mis)attribution of price to quality and aggravating post-purchase rationalization. There are just a few opinion leaders that are extremely influential, easily capable of disparaging nonconformist products/people to the point of financial/reputational ruin. Add to that a small and easily impressionable market and, well, stats are serious business.

    I'll take a good HD 800 over a KGSSHV + SR-009, but I prefer the SR-Omega or HE60 over either (even on a crappy stat amp). While I consider the SR-007 to be too unremarkable and the SR-009 to be too annoying, some electrostats are just really special.
     
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    Hey all,

    Have an opportunity to buy new old dealer stock Stax SRS-3170 combo for a very sweet price. Are these lower end Stax models worthwhile?
     
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    Sweet price? Go for it. It's a solid combo. Is it the be all end all end game? Of course not... But for the right price why not?
     
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    Sweet the price is ... about half of the Massdrop price given current ZAR16/USD exchange rate. Maybe I should just give it a go ...
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Go for it. It's not totl fantastic, but you'll not have problems getting rid of it if it's not your cup of tea.
     
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    You must be forgeting the tachyon radiation that you emit to control all your minions brainwaves
     
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    Uh uh uh. That's a refreshing way to talk about stats (i personaly love).

    Entry level stax are absolute bargains that trounce shitloads of so called totl headphones. Go for that srm 3170!
     
  17. Rotijon

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    Its a good introduction to the stax airy and more natural sound, compared to the more solid sounding planar and dynamics. Try it out if you want.
     
  18. Whitigir

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    This is very true ! Just finished my Carbon and believe it or not, BOM lists is only the minimal requirements. There are a lot more work involved. But DIY is very rewarding, headaches but fun. The best part of it is that I got to decide which parts I want to use. People who don't work on electronics will not know this, once in a first powered up, if something goes wrong, then manything will follow and it is a whole train wreck to be working around for .....more fun, if you are into these types of stuff. Especially, if something blow in your face, it wouldn't be fun....

     
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    At Canjam Europe in Essen I had the privilege of trying out many headphone set ups.

    If I were rich and did not have budget limits, a Stax rig would be in my house (007).

    Thing is I am not rich and I have a limited budget. So a modified HD650 or modified HD800 are pretty much end game for me.
     

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