Maxx is jealous because he gets no attention

Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Maxx134, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. Maxx134

    Maxx134 Dunning–Kruger effect poster boy

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    I'm going to state that the results here are what the title implies, "hyper& engaging", is result of the driver, that wasn't intended for close proximity.

    Apologies for sounding brutal but it's not.
    I like to push people forward , instead of standing by, with what currently amounts to an expensive, oversized, forward sounding grado.

    This is the "elephant-in-the-room" syndrome, and Who is going to invest about $700 for pair of drivers alone, if not yet "end game"?
    So you can either view my input with a grain of salt, or not, but at least hear me out either way.

    Let me explain IMO:
    Sennheiser dropped the ball, as we all know, but ,
    The hd800 driver really was, and really still is a true end game driver, just stunted.

    Contrary to common opinion, MY opinion is that the 800S is the exact same driver, but more stunted because of the center filling.
    All adverse effects are due to no compensation for this addition to the actual design.

    Imagine you breathing uncomfortably thru a straw (center hole) and then someone stuffing material in that straw, and NOT compensating that loss of air flow, with added strength to push thru..
    That's what the 800S is.

    Imagine the resources necessary to change the design... to strengthening the diaphragm muscles (voilcoil) to push air thru that added mess..
    For Sennheiser To strengthen the motor assembly would call for a re-design.
    Not happening, not ever..

    Check the specs... Driver impedance and sensitivity are exactly the same.
    Don't believe the lies otherwise...

    And also add the 820 in the mix of "sonic" failure, being just an 800S in a dam pretty glass window.
    Sales looks clearly to have been the motivator for these creations.

    The HD800 driver is created to be waaayyy too forward for anything close or closed.
    The driver was intentionally designed that way, to compensate for the distance away from the ear, for greater soundstage.

    If it was just up to speed, then think:
    Raall
    Stax-Qualia010
    Utopia- Hd800- Susvara

    But we also know that there is more to end game, than speed. Also, too much speed makes itself more "noticed" and distracting..
    The added excitement of speed ends up as noticable unnaturallness, , to notice the headphones more than the music.

    An HD800 with a larger, non-diffuse, undistorted sound would be the ideal goal.
    Not a juiced up agressive grado-ish sound from an HD650-ish baffle..

    I would suggest to you, to "turn around" early, and skip that, to go for what both Sony intended, and what Senheiser failed to do.

    Also, reaching end game level would at least be considered Utopia sized soundstage for an open can, or the goal is simply not set high enough.

    IMO, Your not applying the drivers strength, when using it nearfield.
    It needs the space of the Qualia 010.

    Look at the Qualia 010 cup chamber.
    You know the similarity of the design.
    It's like the Utopia, copied from the HD800, that copied from the Sony Qualia 010...

    You are close to the reality, that the best "baffle" design for this driver, is instead a chamber that is not flat and close, but further away.

    I read those here have already experimented with the HD800 cup chamber before, swapping out that steel mesh..
    And the casing of the resonance cup chamber of the Qualia010 was made of thin aluminum and partly of composite.
    But the Utiopia does not go this route, and should be looked into.

    I would suggest a 3d printing of a qualia sized & angled chamber frame, with plenty holes to limit resonance, then try different overlays of transparent cloth materials to enclosed the chamber, like silk.
    If anyone has a shot to try this currently, its you guys.

    Your choice what road this leads too.
    Lots of people like fast and detailed, agressive headphones.

    But I telling you that the stock hd800 drivers are intentionally a very forward driver.

    Another option would be to choose a less agressive driver for the current design.
    And would be an ideal project using an inexpensive driver.

    Oh, and one more thing, there should be a huge trophy award for the member post with the most dislikes..
    :)
     

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  2. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Ugh no. The weirdness with the HD800 is because of how its mounted on the basket. It actually performs better mounted up close. There is nothing that indicates a juiced up Grado-ish sound.

    See here: https://www.changstar.com/www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2208.0.html
    And of course @Bill-P measurements.

    This was an experiment and something that @Bill-P and I had wondered about for many years regarding transplantation of the HD800 driver. None of this precludes the use of the HD800/S drivers. As I suggested, maybe @CEE TEE could source other drivers.

    I would suggest to you to stay in your lane and actually have some respect for someone who just wanted to play with stuff to explore the possibilities instead of partake what you want it do be. If you know your post is going to be disliked, don't post. That's just rude and egotistical.
     
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  3. Maxx134

    Maxx134 Dunning–Kruger effect poster boy

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    Yes, Ofcourse I agree the basket was the issue, but the basket was also the goal to design it like the the Qualia010 for soundstage.
    q010sa5k_overlap_2ss__01.jpg


    I agree it measures better, but its also obvious that is a forward sounding driver.
    Edit:
    Actually I'm referring to comparison to a Susvara.
    The stax009 is also an example of being bit forward.


    Thats great if the size probably is enough to offset most of the forwardness.
    There's always good use for a critical studio clarity can.

    I was assuming that the use of HD800 drivers, was going for a new end game can, and just pointing out the natural path.

    That was a joke.. you know that.
    My foresight saw the resistance from members here, when its obvious I'm trying to help the guy or I wouldn't be explaining.
    Its also obvious that every time I give good advice I get alot resistance.
    Anyways, I like to apologise how easy it is to take offense to my posts.
    I do believe that this is an excellent effort , and has more potential than 90% of the headphone market.

    The HD800 driver is really that good, so any new implementation is a bold positive achievement.
     
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  4. Lyander

    Lyander Too sensitive for SBAF

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    All I'm going to say is something I feel many should have twigged onto by now: @Maxx134 likes v-shaped responses even more than I do ;)

    Just poking fun, friend. I do think that you do tend to be a bit extreme in your opinions, but I also believe that you genuinely have fun with the hobby. That's awesome, not many people are as eager to tweak things as you are, but besides the measurements you share not usually being... comparable to most, I feel that your personal target is also very different from that of many other people. This doesn't help the hyperbolic prose, perhaps.

    As someone who used to really really like the Grado RS1 and stalks measurements from members here, thereby earning a passing familiarity with most people's procedures, I don't see how this might sound anything like a Grado based on the graphs posted.
     
  5. insidious meme

    insidious meme Ambivalent Kumquat

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    Hmm. Would you rather be disliked or ignored?
     
  6. yotacowboy

    yotacowboy McRibs Kind of Guy

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  7. Maxx134

    Maxx134 Dunning–Kruger effect poster boy

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    My post was because what I read.
    When you wrote the word, "boring", I took this as saying that it wasn't enough for you.

    Therefore I thought you wanted to achieve a higher goal.

    I wasn't trying to knock anything down.
    It is clear to me, from others posts, that it's already at a high level.
    Sounds like it's more than enough, for them, probably because of the poor choices we still have out there.
    A sea of compromised headphones.

    Just keep going.
    Make a "Not boring" version to you.
    I feel you have end game level drive.

    This my last post in this thread.
    Too many prideful feathers ruffled.
    Goodluck!

    No problem, no more help from me.


    Neither you or purr1n speak for Bill, and are both at a disadvantage from not knowing what I know about the hd800, so you can't understand.

    Regardless, I'm out.
     
  8. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Please cease and desist with your rants. You've added absolutely nothing to the thread other than your own personal ego. It's obvious to me and many others are you bothered that @Bill-P's DIY headphone using HD800S drivers has gotten one helluva more attention than your iterations of perfected HD800 mods, none of which have before (stock) and after measurements and none of which have gotten into members' hands.
     
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  9. Deep Funk

    Deep Funk Deep thoughts - Friend

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    Good thing this was not about the HD700 or HD660.
     
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    Mithrandir41 Friend

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    I came dangerously close to buying an hd700 back in the day...close call.
     
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    zerodeefex Grumpiest admin

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    Reverted your redactions so everyone can see this phenomenal example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
     
  12. Maxx134

    Maxx134 Dunning–Kruger effect poster boy

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    Ok so whenever any of you cali guys ever in NY, I would invite you to hear my HD800X,
    And why I say what I say, and come off like some asshole who thinks what he says is 100% correct..

    Doesn't matter if I am or not because there should be more ways to get better reaults.

    I just think everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel on the HD800, and wasting time.

    I won't hold a grudge Because you simply don't know what I know.
    then you can decide for yourself which path lead to a better HD800.

    I done with semantics talking my ideology when it is wrong for everyone here.

    So I don't care if you dislike me 1000times and want to shit on my HD800X, I will still let you hear it if your ever in NY its not a problem and I not care about it being known because the method involved lead to a wreck of 3 drivers as I do not have the tools to do it without putting the driver in 50% danger to be destroyed, and had to repair the unit I have.

    So I have one unit to show and thats it.

    Drama over I posted in my hd800x post as a last post.

    Don't give a shit if anyone wants to hear it really.
     
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  13. YMO

    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    So just to let you know....

    If I still lived in Brooklyn....

    I would never go to your house, or visit you....

    You remind me of those of those guys at the Belmont Park or Aquaduct who blab on for hours losing their shirt with the ponies saying the same shit over and over.....

    No one cares...
     
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    Mithrandir41 Friend

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    No one is shitting on your hd800x, just on your personality and the way you come across here. Talk is cheap. The best way to talk shit and prove yourself right would be to put your hd800x on a loaner tour and be all like "see, see!".
    Oh, and saying "you simply don't know what I know"... you really should read the rules for new members again: you're posting like a noob.
     
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    Take a breath. Calm down. Recollect your thoughts. Continue with HD800 work while low key irked by thread. Hopefully causes re-evaluation of life attitudes and self view. Continue HD800 work more. Eventually have great product. Prove greatness of improvements if you still feel inclined to do so after re-evaluation. Become SBAF hero with great product.
     
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  16. yotacowboy

    yotacowboy McRibs Kind of Guy

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    "my stereo sounds better than yours."

    Not really the spirit of this forum.
     

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