Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. Case

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    Many folks who use are trying to medicate themselves out of some form of trauma-based emotional pain. Putting them in prison is a mistake.
     
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    Blame society. Majority of people don't want these people near their businesses or their lives. It is worse when they get out of prison where barely anyone want to touch them. People secretly hope that they never return to their town/city and never to be seen again.
     
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    The self-medicating is everywhere. Alcohol/ drug addiction is just one form.
     
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    A huge part of the problem is the candor in which prescription opioids, amphetamines, or whatever upper and/or downer have been prescribed by "Medical Professionals" here in the United States. I recently had a manager that made a point of telling people every few months that he's been clean and sober for 21 years, yet he's taking prescription Adderall for his "ADD" and Vicodin for his migraines from the job...
     
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    Yes, this is the part of the 'open conspiracy' that George Carlin talked about.

    Edit: the psych industry constantly manufactures illnesses in order to maintain demand for their services. Meanwhile, even with all the psych meds being prescribed, people are more and more anxious and depressed. Don't get me wrong, properly prescribed psych meds can work miracles. But we are way past responsible use of those meds.
     
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    A huge part of the blame for opioids specifically goes directly to Purdue Pharma and their multi-billionaire owners, the Sackler family. Criminal cover-ups of details regarding how addictive Oxycontin is, and how doctors were incentivised.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_Pharma
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family
     
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    Not American (gasp) but misdiagnoses that ultimately lead to exacerbation of actual underlying illnesses are definitely common all over, it seems.

    Symptoms of BPD being thought of as nothing more than typical female presentations of ADHD, conflicting dx between service providers (some of whom are legally well-recompensed but ethically criminally underpaid), some service providers allowing their biases (for religion or against religion; conformity to archetypal gender norms or abject disgust thereof-- there's idiocy on either extreme in every case) to colour their interactions with clients and patients...

    @JK47 thank you for adding quotation marks to "ADD", they need to catch up on why that's not really a thing anymore.
     
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    I like ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder). Pretty sure my employers thought I was an adult(?) example.
     
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    Story time.

    Back in the mid '70s I was in charge of the EE technicians in a medical device company while working to complete my EE degree. A particular candidate came in and I gave him my standard technical competency quiz, which would never past muster in today's HR world due to lack of statistical evidence of being gender / race / religion / etc neutral. However it was effective at finding whether a particular individual was competent at the tasks we needed performed. He passed quite well and we hired him. Later he confided that he appreciated my giving him a chance as he had just been released from prison for felony convictions. I had no idea. All I experienced was a hard working, committed and competent person.

    Later we had the opportunity to hire another technician. The successful candidate was someone that I might call gender challenged. Think Lola by The Kinks. S/He was also competent but a little different. Our department was considered a bit odd to most of the other employees, who were mostly good Mormons as the company owner was also Mormon. Preference to those of the same religion. This was the beginning of my human experience enlightenment.

    Later, when I had some issues with main registrar for our university EE department as not being qualified to be accepted by the department, these same individuals that I had given a chance were very supportive and encouraged me to basically not take no for an answer. Finding an advisor who was an old Navy man, I found guidance that allowed me to not only successfully achieve my undergraduate EE degree but also learn how to learn in the process and go on to create what is considered (hopefully) many useful inventions, now around 13 patents and a 14th in the works.

    Moral: past behavior is not necessarily predictive of future performance. Some people do learn and grow. Don't deny them that chance.
     
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    All this is because drug use is considered recreational in the United States.

    In Taiwan (and China and other parts of Asia), it's not called drugs.

    It's literally called poison. "He takes Fentanyl" would literally translate to "He eats poison". (Alcoholics are literally called alcohol demons.)

    I guess it's because China was haunted by the Imperial powers, i.e., UK and later France, who violently insisted that they be able to push opium into China. The Opium Wars were before my grandmother's time, but their effect upon society was seared into her consciousness. She described what the English did as unconscionable vicious cruelty. I still recall her telling me this with sadness and anger. There is a reason why drug dealers get extremely harsh sentences or death penalty in many parts of Asia!

    It's a very different point of view from the USA where "drugs" are mindless fun (rich) or an escape (poor). Most Americans feel that drugs are OK. And when shit goes wrong, blame others (The East India Trading Company, I mean Big Phama, Biden, Mexicans, Illegal Immigrants, social inequity, etc.)

    Nothing will change in the USA with respect to drugs. We can start calling it poison - educating our youth. We can insist that people take personal responsibility. We can have a "war on drugs". All this shit was been tried. The problem is that the USA is too rich where people can afford the luxury drugs.

    The truth is that most people can function eating poison. I knew more than my fair share of functional potheads and alcoholics. However there is a percentage of people with brains wired in a certain way who will wig out, become hopeless addicts, go insane, die, etc. I've seen it all and TBH, although it seems heartless, I want to stay away from it as far as possible.
     
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    It still weird me out watching American television channels and seeing all the drug commercials or "if you have such and such symptoms, join our lawsuit" type things.
     
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    Except in the case of Purdue - who are estimated to be responsible for almost 2/3 of opioid overdose deaths in the US! - it isn't poison. It is literally a drug prescribed for medical conditions. Oxycontin is used for pain. Fentanyl is the drug of choice for surgical sedation and pain management.

    But you've had millions of people going to a trusted medical professional with a real health problem. They've been told that the opioid is the best solution, and that all the manufacturers scientific studies show it isn't addictive. They have been lied to. You've a *huge* number of people made into addicts through no fault of their own.

    And yes, there are other addicts who just do it for the fun. But the current phenomenon of regular folks becoming opioid addicts is very different from the past. And people can't just blame it on woke Dems and poor border control.
     
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    Putting them in prison or jail, along with treatment, can be an affective method for encouraging people to clean up their act.

    I wish my friend who died got to experience jail or prison. No doubt he would have figured out that staying drug free was much less painful than staying in prison. It also would have been a relief to his family and friends who were constantly worrying about him. (He died when I was on a short trip away from town. I had always wondered if he would have been OK had I been around. This is the kind of shit that addicts lay on you.)

    Treating addicts requires harsh measures. They will lie, cheat, steal, even kill to get their next fix. The unpleasantness of prison is the only thing that will make them reconsider.

    Also, after jail, get treatment. Skip treatment, go back to jail.
     
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    Purdue is no longer and I still know people in California asking if I still have any pills left from my Vicodin stash! (I took only what I needed, which was exactly two pills over one day because Vicodin = poison in my mind).

    Painkillers is an American thing. Americans love painkillers because of their euphoric effect more than the painkilling effect. I totally get it. Personally, I prefer the high from the OG morphine, concentrated Opium. The downside is that morphine doesn't last that long.

    I blame selfish people not taking responsibility. It's a downside of American individualism.
     
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    I love watching these two videos about this drug topic in SF:


     
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    LOL, the white guy rapping trying to convince juvies to be good.
     
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    I'm sorry about your friend. I have my own version of that story.

    Prison just re-traumatizes those struggling with addiction. We throw them in jail constantly, and it obviously is not a deterrent. If it was, the War on Drugs would have been won. Not saying putting folks on jail never works. Maybe your friend would still be alive. Professionally, I've seen threat of prison work a couple of times, but those are exceptions. Hell, if people struggle to stop spending on audio, what chance do folks have to stop using a substance engineered for addiction? Same dynamic applies to social media.

    Edit: I think A Scanner Darkly nails a lot of this.
     
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    Unfortunately drugs are easily available in most jails and prisons. I really don't have an answer or solution, and at the end of the day the bottom line is that the individual makes the choice.

    I still have Tylenol 3 sitting in my cabinet from the Dentist that pulled all 4 of my wisdom teeth four years ago (the older you are, the harder they are to take out), after the first day I was fine with advil. I grew up in Vancouver during the 80's and 90's when there was plenty of cheap China White #4 Heroin flooding the streets, and have witnessed first hand the devastating effects not only on adults, but kids as well. When I was 14 I lost my first friend to overdose, he was the little brother of my little league teammate. Died at the age of 12 with a needle in his arm, his 14 year old bro was a user as well. That stuff was everywhere and so many people I grew up with never got off it, jail, rehab, they all went back except one, and they tell me it's the hardest thing to stay away from. 15 years later and they still get cravings, I told them to move from the city and get new friends, but they say they can't...
     
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    Hard agree. The answer that sounds best to me, while also acknowledging that no system is perfect, would be extended rehab with serious mental health services (30 days may flush the system but addiction isn’t purely physical), combined with meaningful community service after. Not picking up trash on the side of the road, but helping real people in communities. Leverage the experience people gain from going through the process of physically and mentally purging. If we made a culture of helping in that way, it would become normalized.

    We need to also consider that prison in the US in particular is both deliberately punitive, not restorative, and is for profit! The prisons themselves make money off of prisoners and then companies can buy prison labor for pennies. Those conditions create perverse incentives to jail more people than is necessary (the US has one of the largest prison populations per capita in the world), and to increase recidivism rates, not reduce them. Intentionally putting someone in that system who needs help and support is nearly a guarantee that they will end up worse than when they went in.
     
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    Totally agree we need to look into the rehabilitation aspect of prison. I'm just not sure Americans are up for it. In Texas and the rest of the South, it's is still very much "If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime." Heck even left leaning states like MA and CA have super high incarnation rates compared to EU/UK/Canada.

    I have been impressed with the programs in Corpus to get juvenile delinquents on the right path. My son got caught for shoplifting (scoping out the place for his girlfriend who lifted some jewelry). No juvie. No fine. Banishment from the mall for a year. A tour of the incarceration facilities including a real-time view of kids being patted down and prepped for jail. And lengthy probation period to avoid prosecution. My son and his girlfriend were assigned a case worker Mr. Johnson, who took his job very seriously. Interviewed (interrogated) the kids and the parents. His job was to assess risk factors in the home and school environments. A serious PIA on the part of the parents (us). In the end, both kids were deemed low risk and able to escape community service. Mr. Johnson has had to deal with juvenile murders, so I'm sure our kid was low priority. (Mr. Johnson even admitted to me privately that he had to scare the kids a little, getting me in on the act).

    I guess I was surprised because this is supposed the South! This level of after-the-crime care toward kids didn't exist in the places of California that I lived in. I can only assume it's because South Texas is poor, and communities in certain parts of Corpus really do need this extra care given kids' family situations and peer environments.

    Maybe adult convicts need the same level of care and follow up?

    However, when I see stuff like see this in my old hood (yes, we used to shop at that Nordstrom), I'd just throw them in prison for larceny and conspiracy to commit larceny without any further thought:


    And don't get me started on this re-offender who later parlayed his crimes for fame and money as a preeminent cybersecurity expert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick

    (I almost hurled when I found out that Mitnick was the face and a Board member of our company's training platform).
     
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