Pictures of your speaker system

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Cspirou, Nov 6, 2015.

Tags:
  1. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    The Nagas themselves have an extra set of drivers or are you talking about the subs right behind them in your picture?
     
  2. shaizada

    shaizada Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    93
    The Naga's themselves are single driver, back loaded horn speakers. The subs behind the picture help out with the bottom end.
     
  3. MrTie

    MrTie Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Likes Received:
    708
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    A.B.E. - PA
  4. OJneg

    OJneg The Most Insufferable

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2015
    Likes Received:
    3,700
    Dislikes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    Ha! I know those sub cabinets! :D
     
  5. MrTie

    MrTie Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Likes Received:
    708
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    A.B.E. - PA
    partsexpress 4.3 flatpacks, I need to paint them. RS-18HO and Si-HT18 which are close enough for government work. Might slap some ultimax's in them eventually.
     
  6. OJneg

    OJneg The Most Insufferable

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2015
    Likes Received:
    3,700
    Dislikes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    Try a good pro woofer. You might be surprised.
     
  7. MrTie

    MrTie Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Likes Received:
    708
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    A.B.E. - PA
    I'm honestly pretty happy with them atm, the SI-HT18 in particular is a crazy good bass unit for under $200. Powering them with a Inuke 6000DSP running a linkwitz transform and a steep crossover at 60hz, works well for me. The Dayton+flatpack I found locally for like $180 already built. But going forward what pro 18 would you suggest, given the excursion and often sale pricing of the UM18-22s they are hard beat for the money.
     
  8. Rex Aeterna

    Rex Aeterna Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Likes Received:
    256
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Cinnaminson, nj
    well if your happy with them, then, that's all that matters. if still interested into pro woofers. lot of them are really not in the 200 range unless you find them second hand. especially popular woofers like eaws,b&c, and jbl. even peavey low riders are pretty popular but are of course bit above 200 range. also theater stuff used can be found pretty cheaply if you don't mind the weight and size. like the 4648 bass bin i have you can find under 200 with loaded jbl 2226 woofers pretty easily(not a 18'' driver, i know but it's a dual 15'' which basically has ''about'' same surface area of a 21'' woofer).

    jbl use to have an outlet sell back few years ago selling pairs of them for 200 brand new but, that's then. you can also find b380's which are loaded jbl 2242/2245's i believe as well which are basically first marketed ''home'' subwoofer by jbl but there is theater versions of them as well but, i forget the model numbers off top of my head. peavey, cerwin vega, and ev made alot of theater installation stuff too and can find large horn loaded bass bins and dual bassbin boxes as well very cheap if you're patient enough.

    but...but,as i said, if you don't mind size and weight. avg weight of these bass bins are usually easily 100+ lbs which is not moving friendly with most people. my jbl 4648 is 150lbs itself and while i don't mind and have no issues with it, a lot of people will just find it too ridiculous. even the newer loaded bass boxes with lighter neo magnets on the newer b&c and jbl drivers with suitable built boxes will remain a hefty weight but, they are super expensive due to type of motor tech/lighter magnet used.....anyhoo, got options out there and while i never used dayton stuff, they seem well liked and if you are happy with them and find good deals on them, then that's all that matters.

    btw, have really nice speaker set-up. are they b&w's? i think they are by look but, can be wrong. reason i ask cause only b&w's i liked look like yours and prefered them to the harsh and well praised 802d's.
     
  9. MrTie

    MrTie Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Likes Received:
    708
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    A.B.E. - PA
    4648 are great commercial bassbins, but they really not designed for low output they are 10db down by 35hz and free fall from there, nor is a 222X woofer something I would consider for infrasonic duty. An excellent woofer for the use it was designed for and would be in on my short list if I was making some mains with 15s. I moved from a Danley DTS-10( http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/subwoofers/specialty-subs/dts10/) to these as I needed something more compact for the new house. As a mixed use system, I need something that sounds passable for it's limited band of use in music and does well with cinema. The actual subs are crossed hard at 60hz(Linkwitz-riley eighth order), so there is very little they actually do in terms of music listening except give that last ounce of body to certain very low sounds. In movies though they bring that fun tactile explosion feel. The only thing I'm really looking for in a replacement driver is more output as I have more amp than I currently need, and the ability to go lower in the same size boxes.

    PA Basshorns(TH designs notwithstanding) are generally not going to go really low unless you're talking about stuff the size of cars. One of my previous setups was a modified 2 way using a Klipsch La scala bassbin, that I ported and changed to a more modern cast frame woofer , those things could smash your chest in with midbass, but they fell like a stone below 50hz even being the size of a front load washing machine. I bought the DTS-10 kit to cover the really low stuff.

    As far as the speakers, thank you, yes they are B&W DM3000s they were only made for a few years in the mid 1980s, they sat just under the Matrix 800 line and would be analog to say the CDM9 series today. They had a very unusual trapezoid shape. I really like them, they are brighter but not as much as modern B&W that I have heard and they are very rare in as far as I have been able to find online I have the only piano black pair, most were rosewood or black ash. I have heard Matrix 802s series fronting megabuck gear and outboard crossovers, and these can hang pretty well. They are one of the best audio bargains I've ever bought. I'm the second owner, and I even have the manuals and the grills, but I have fabric scratch happy felines, so the grills stay in the closet.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2015
  10. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
  11. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    Here's my little DIY setup:

    [​IMG]

    It's basically the Fostex recommended box for the fe83en but with the bass reflex port moved in back. Felt like making these after reading about the Blumenstein Orcas and hearing all the rave reviews about it. I read a post by Clark Blumenstein on some forum that the Fostex recommended enclosure is actually pretty good in this case and to just move the port in back and call it a day, so that's what I did. The bass-reflex port is made with solid plywood and there is some bracing on the inside but no stuffing and no crossover. The Lepai amp was just to hold me over until I build my Gainclone. I think these sound pretty good. I wish I knew how the Orcas sound like so I can gauge how far off I am in terms of sound.
     
    JK47, Shaffer, shaizada and 3 others like this.
  12. Rex Aeterna

    Rex Aeterna Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Likes Received:
    256
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Cinnaminson, nj
    the specs are based off one driver with 4648. the extra driver adds 3db give or take..but, i know there faults but due to their stiffness, excursion abilty and power handling and low power compression they can be forced into the infrasonic range. also crossing them low below port tuning will unload the drivers and make it work better on my part from experimenting(yea its like running drivers free air but, it's fine and my altecs are usable down to 30hz). using crown xti 4002 with it worked well for me with lowpass crossover set @30hz and slighty stepping peq up slowly from 28hz to 20hz making it flat and usable down to 15hz. lot of diy people and pro people love the 2226 woofers for sub due to them being hard to kill. i can attest to their durability cause im crazy enough to push things to see if it'll catch on fire or blow up(that's why i stick with crown amps too. never had single issues driving anything once i went crown and i blew a lot of amps). i drive things hard all day to make sure if stuff i buy runs at spec as it says it does...

    i know of klipsch too but, they are known for being weak in pro/gruling applications. they were more home stuff pretending to be pro. their la scalas were one of the most popular item pretending to be pro stuff. altec lansing,peavey,ev, jbl, and even cerwin vega made lot better stuff for pro community back in the day in my opinion. never understood their legendary status..

    i also suggest altec lansing woofers for midbass to bass over lot of jbl's. i prefer my 921-8a woofers in an infinite baffle design to the 2226 for midbass. i like jbl woofers for power handling, and being hard to kill making them useful for subwoofer duty. i know lot people like mating jbl woofers with altec horns but, i find some of the older altecs cleaner sounding for midrange to bass. 921-8a woofers are hard to find though but, when you find them, they're realitively inexpensive and cheapest among altec lansing woofers you find and has most power handling too and sound good.

    yea, i think those exact models i heard. only ones i like from b&w i heard so far. i was excited to hear the 802d's and loved their design which reminded me of technics awesome phase linear sb-7000's i use to have and loved but, was really disappointed. no matter what played through the 802's they were very harsh and had too much overhang in the bass sounding sloppy. told the salesman they were meh and i heard pa systems that sounded better.
     
  13. shaizada

    shaizada Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Where are you located? You are welcome to bring over your speakers to my place and we can do an AB with the Orca's.
     
  14. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    I am currently in France but I have some family in Southern California that I see often. If you are in the area I would gladly take you up on the offer.
     
  15. shaizada

    shaizada Friend

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Works for me....just msg me when you are planning to be in SoCal and we can definitely get together.
     
    Cspirou likes this.
  16. OJneg

    OJneg The Most Insufferable

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2015
    Likes Received:
    3,700
    Dislikes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    From a few years back. I miss those guys.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    Can do!
     
  18. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    Is that a Madisound kit?
     
  19. OJneg

    OJneg The Most Insufferable

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2015
    Likes Received:
    3,700
    Dislikes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    Yes, the BK12. Except I followed plans and built from 4x8 piece of ply, instead of getting the knock-down cabinet
     
    sphinxvc likes this.
  20. sphinxvc

    sphinxvc Gear Master (retired)

    Staff Member Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Likes Received:
    2,572
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @OJneg - they looked damn good. Were they finished?

    What did you think of them?
     

Share This Page