Putin's War With Ukraine (and democracy, freedom, self-determination, etc.)

So Putin hates Biden even more than I thought. That's not great. There's a lot of questions as to if Putin will backdoor fund terrorism to retaliate against the sanctions.

 

The one and only Tucker Carlson, everyone!

https://www.businessinsider.com/kre...mother-jones-2022-3?amp&utm_source=reddit.com


Remember, he is “not down with the Globalistic Neo Liberal Crusade!”

 

@DigMe Tulsi Gabbard has blown up in my timeline today. Apparently this isn't the first bit of Russian propaganda she's mirrored
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1502960938147729413

Quick'n'dirty fact check
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60711705
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...are-no-us-run-biolabs-ukraine-contrary-socia/

The problem with Carlson and Gabbard isn't that they get things wrong, it's that they're liars. Who's lies show a pattern of mirroring the lies of very bad people.

It's a shame, I really liked Gabbard when I first became familiar with her. Carlson not so much. It was obvious from his speech patterns, facial expressions, and body language etc that he's a shit.

 

f**k. Potential for escalation here. No surprise I guess, but now it's known how will the West respond. Maybe Ukraine will get those damn MiG-29s now.

Russia has asked China for military equipment since the start of the invasion
US officials say Russia has requested military equipment from China since the start of the invasion, according to the Financial Times. This has sparked fears in the White House that China may decide to help Russia and undermine western efforts to aid Ukraine.

Another person told the FT that the US was “preparing to warn allies about the situation amid some indications that China may be preparing to help Russia”.

“Other US officials have also said there were signs that Russia was running out of some kinds of weaponry as the war in Ukraine approaches the start of its third week,” the FT report said.

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Let's hope they go in this direction:

Possible Outcomes of the Russo-Ukrainian War and China’s Choice - Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor.​

 

So far all indications have been that China has been very reluctant to support the invasion. I really hope that mindset continues.

 

The "bio-lab" panic reminds me of some of the conspiratorial thinking after Waco which seemed to capture the those on left and right more or less equally.

If Tucker = Putin is the goal, go for the jugular:



Mocking John Bolton Tucker says "let's try a winter war in Russia, no one has done it before but we have high hopes..." LOL! I wonder if Tucker is going to last on Fox given he bucks its usual neo-conservative foriegn policy thinking (the right's flavor of the Neo Liberal Crusade).

 

It is no secret the West is supplying Ukraine (and Taiwan to varying extents as well) with weapons. Not really shocking the non-free world would be propping each other up also. Russia might be doing an oil for weapons deal with China.

I fully expect some Chinese entities to attract Western sanctions of their own before this is over.

 

Not mocking you - am I just really naive here?

I don't see how anything she said in the video would political per se or pro-Putin, even if she's wrong about the existence of US (or anyone funded) labs. I myself have wondered about the security (edit:[against] both malicious or negligent actions) of bio-research labs around the world before and during covid, and I'm not even on the whole "china / cia / illuminati biolab covid super secret weapon" train ride...

Maybe I'm biased as I like her stances / ideas more than those of most politicians. And yes, her body language was a little weird in the video compared to how she is normally, but the message to me seems to be "guys, maybe we should shut the labs down or at least secure the labs a little bit"... I mean, when I saw that a nuclear power plant was taking fire in Ukraine, I started to think "Yeah, I guess these things are a good idea when everything is good and society is safe, but it looks like these things can also go south pretty fast. Maybe I should reconsider my stance on nuclear power."

 

Yeah, it's not shocking. Anyone reasonably informed won't be surprised by what's to come. I'm just wincing at the direction and weight with which this particular domino could fall.

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@penguins

In this case it started off with an unsubstantiated claim made by someone on twitter, which Russia then amplified, and was proven to be false. But some continued to peddle it anyway. At which point it becomes a lie. Tulsi being one peddler of that lie, Tucker another. That is dishonest, and it is disinformation.

If you haven't already you can read through my, purr1n's, and DigMe's posts and links in the last few pages for deeper explanation. Further than that read up on misinformation techniques, and start a habit of fact checking until you can at least establish a track record for certain people or news outlets.

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EDIT: Whoosh!
Panic Selling Grips Chinese Stocks in Biggest Plunge Since 2008 - "concerns over Beijing’s close relationship with Russia"

 

^ I don't disagree with you at all, but I still don't understand how this is considered malicious vs just "being wrong".

That and if we had "secret bio-labs", who are the fact checkers that would actually be able to obtain the correct information to verify this or not? I imagine a lot of it would be at a minimum, classified, if not secret or top secret no? Not knocking on fact checking, just that I would imagine it's not as useful in some cases.

FWIW, personal guess is if the US did have "secret bio-labs" around the world, we certainly wouldn't have them in Ukraine where security would probably be very dubious at times, so it's not that I agree with the immediate talking point she made per se. But I do agree with the idea that "hmm, bio-lab may be dangerous". Granted, on the flip side, even if the US closed any supposed "bio-labs", I can almost guarantee most other nations in the world wouldn't and the US would fall behind b/c of this.

 

Tucker looks weird to me when looking straight at the camera.

 

His facial expression when he is listening often makes it looks like he is lost or confused.

 

Repeating a claim as fact without evidence = Deception.

In this case:

1. The source of the claim is known
2. The source is of no standing or repute
3. The source provided no evidence
4. No evidence has been found or given since
5. IIRC the original claim has had details added to it
6. The only evidence, from multiple sources, has been that it is not true
7. Unless and until there is evidence, or even tangible reason to suspect, it is make believe

How do we know anything is true or false? Well unless we see evidence with our own eyes we don't. Sometimes that's possible, sometimes only in retrospect, and sometimes it just isn't without investigating yourself. So one way to develop trustworthy news sources is to pay attention over time to who was right, who was wrong, and who was being sensationalistic or creative with the truth. Using multiple sources.

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@YMO @DigMe he's attempting to look serious. Many news presenters do that in the UK, just more convincingly.

 

Maybe, but he looks funny to me. Then again, I don’t really watch Faux News, Leftest NBC, or Clinton News Network.

 

It's the hair. You only wish you could have a haircut like that. He probably even rivals you when it comes to back hair...

 

I wish I have his frozen fud money.

 

@penguins There are published studies on this rating outlets by bias and accuracy. Which like anything else needs to be checked out too. People, publisher, funding source etc. Here's one I found a few years ago, since updated: https://adfontesmedia.com/

 

Estonia, NATO member, population 1.1 million with a military of about 7,000, calls on USA to start WWIII by making war on Russia:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ru...ls-for-immediate-establishment-of-no-fly-zone

It's 1914 all over again...at least Biden appears to not have lost all his marbles:

https://twitter.com/potus/status/1502353759455821833

 

Daily Mail isn't exactly high journalism but they're saying UK says 10-14 days of full strength fight left in the Russians.

If true, that's both good and bad. If NATO can hold their shit together and not react to Putin killing more civilians or using chemical or biological weapons on Ukraine, eventually the Ukrainians would potentially gain the upper hand.

Problem is the more desperate Putin is the more he might do something stupid.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...1e475-4f5d-4621-93f5-4159fc368ea0&ai=10613069