ETHER 2

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  1. zerodeefex

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    Stop stirring shit to cause fake drama :)
     
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    I just looked at the price. We really have lost our minds. Hell that was long ago. YRMV.
     
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    The search continued for a Better HD650 today.

    I spent a fair bit of time (a couple of hours) with the Ether 2 at TSAV today, and some time with the ZMF Aeolus, Audeze LCD 3, Audeze LCD MX4, and Sony MDR-Z7M2.

    From first listen, I was about ready to just snap up the Ether 2s and walk out with them. Great first impressions, lovely bass and no obvious annoyances. They're light as hell as well. I brought my DAC with me and only used their Phonitor X since I knew what the combo sounded like.

    What stopped me primarily from buying them today was some fatiguing tonal crunchiness in the treble region. A great example is the snare hits on Daft Punk - Doin' it Right. Every hit of the snare bothered me with a bright, swooshy crunch (exaggerated description). It also exhibited a bit of sibilance from a few other tracks, but I failed to note which ones. The LCD 3 actually had the same issue with Doin' it Right for me.

    It is important to note that I did use it through a solid state amp the entire time. I found it pleasing enough overall that I plan to go back and try it with some tubes. Maybe a Liquid Platinum with Amperex tubes or something along those lines.

    The LCD MX4 was better than I expected but not worth the asking price (even at the <$2000 B-Stock price). The Aeolus was tonally quite good but lost some of the detail and felt a bit hollow and blanketed compared to the others. The LCD 3 was okay but I think I liked the Ether 2 better and they're not substantially different. I didn't let myself hear the ZMF Verite because I didn't want to love something out of budget. The new Z7M2 is much better than the old one.

    One worry I had was the earpad hole size. The official measurements I found somewhere showed them to be appreciably smaller than the HD650 interior, but that was only barely the case. My ears touched a little on the top and bottom (they also touch the HD650s), but it was particularly bothersome and the upcoming pads are supposed to be slightly bigger, which should be perfect.

    Unless I can find a good way to tame that little bit of extra brightness, it would be hard for me to spend the money on the Ether 2s despite liking them quite a bit.
     
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    From listening to the Verums with the perforated pads while writing a review for them that's soon to be posted, I'd say that for me, the Verums turn bright and congested at a certain loudness when using pads that create a vacuum seal like the stock pads. The perforated leather pads got rid of most brightness for me, and made the bass faster and punchier sounding at the cost of some rumble/extension. This might be something that applies to all planars, since I remember reading same impressions about the LCD-2C with velour pads.
     
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    Wait...so are you saying Marv shouldn't give his honest opinion about this headphone because of some personal issue you had with him in the past?
    You should definitely try the Suede pads. The ear hole size is bigger and the treble is better behaved. Very lush with those pads.
     
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    I generally did mean what I said. Stop your sorcerer hunt against me with your fake news!
     
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    That could make these my perfect next headphone, then. I'll try to sit on my hands until those pads are ready.
     
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    Thin, low density foam insert in the pads, over the driver. Or similar material. You only need a little bit to iron that out without killing other good stuff.

    And/or pair with a tube amp to take that edge off.
     
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    Sounds to me like those were with the Universe pads, I'd also recommend taking a listen with the Verite pads if you get a chance....very different IMO.

    That being said the Ether 2 is probably the best headphone I've heard from Mr. Speakers yet IMO. Those other pads do sound promising...good luck!
     
  10. purr1n

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    @brencho came by to my place last week and he secretly liked them quite a bit. This was with X-Sabre Pro -> EC Studio Jr 300B (no-feedback). There does seem to be some inertia toward liking MrSpeakers stuff. I'm staying out of this and keeping objective.

    The Ether 2 isn't cheap, but its price isn't much than the OG Ether, but with a significant jump in sound quality. Other than the Verum and LCD-2C (at its intro price), there isn't much that I really like. A lot of orthos are either overly rolled (LCD-2C included) or have super strange timbre and ghastly ergonomics.

    Anyway, don't let me stop you guys from your criticisms. My position is that we let Dan earn it over time.
     
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    I guess I will measure with TP.
     
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    FYI, CSDs posted: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...urements-and-thoughts.7194/page-2#post-251202


    Off the top of my head, recommended gear for Ether. These amps will take the edge off.

    Stellaris
    Solaris 2A3 (with latest tweaks)
    Studio Jr.
    BW (if you can find one)
    Lyr 3
    Nexus stuff (when it comes out - extrapolating since production versions may be different)
    Classic R2R sound DACs
    Sony ZX2

    Did not like:

    Fulla 2
    Anything tube OTL
    Massdrop THX 789
    Aficionado
     
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    Can confirm at least the above.

    I also prefer Jot (latest revision) to Lyr 3 but that's likely because of preference and/or what I am seeking for.
    And I like both Jot and Lyr 3 over THX by a meaningfully huge margin. Note that I seem to be more generous toward Jotenheim's treble with any headphones than the average sbaf.

    So, to me nexus and rag2 might be interesting to try once they are released, let alone I'm super desiring to hear SJr.. (damn, totally teased)
     
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    I've been thinking about the amp pairing as well for the Ether 2. I've come to the conclusion that even though the Liquid Platinum powers it effortlessly, I feel that the LP is holding it back in the speed department. The Verite on a push-pull amp sounds faster than the Ether 2 with the Liquid Platinum. Thinking along the lines of adding an amp like the Rag or Rag 2.

    Imagine the Ether 2 out of a ECP Ravenwood.
     
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    Whenever I've gotten this or that headphone, intended to overcome this or that negative characteristic--it never seems to happen. Fixing what's wrong becomes an expensive tail-chase.

    It's like when you try on shoes, a pair you love the look of, price is right, everything peachy--except they pinch a little here or there. And you tell yourself, "It's leather--it'll break in." Sorry. It never does.
     
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    I'd stick with big SS amps over ECP for planars considering the 5 ohm OI on the ECP wasting a lot of power into low impedance planars like the Ether

    P.S: I own the LP and Verums and holy crap if it doesn't get bloody hot with the 8ohms of the Verum, way hotter than driving 650s. I guess thats what happens when your amp is not rated for 8 ohms on the spec sheet. With these low impedance cans, speaker amps are gonna do great, like @purr1n preferring the speaker out of the Studio Jr to the headphone out for the Ether 2.
     
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    Only if you make it that way. There is EQ, digital or analog, and there is toilet paper or mask material. Pad experimentation doesn't cost much either. All of these methods are cheap and proven.

    If anyone wants to chase $800 Game-Of-Thrones Dragon cables to tame the edge go ahead. I'd rather put that $800 into an overnight trip coastal trip to Monterey via Morrow Bay and waste the $200 left over on gems for Clash of Clans or Star Wars Lego sets.
     
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    Sounds like dan should included MrSpeaker doggie treats. I use them with the TH900 with great results to tame the treble.

    Secret’s out now!
     
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    Not sure if there's slight unit variation with Ether2s or if I'm just used to treble happy headphones. I did own the likes of original HE-400, Denon D2000, HE-560, HD800, and Aeon Open over the years.

    Anyways, subjectively I can't find much of a spike in the Ether2's treble, very hard to find any sibilance with it either. I am using the Ether2 balanced with the Jotunheim, but I'm pondering whether to upgrade its balanced dac to the multibit dac for use with the Ether2. Thoughts?
     
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    You are used to treble happy headphones.

    Ether 2 treble is not that bad. I think it's more a matter of nitpicking and being transparent rather than trying to hide stuff. If it were bad, no tube ampage or other gear synergies is gonna help. To put things into perspective, stock HD800 is still 10 times worse, and HD700 100 times worse.
     

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