@shotgunshane, whose ears I trust to give me an accurate picture of how something will sound (even if our tastes differ), has given me his notes which caused me to avoid purchasing them previously. Regardless, I ordered a pair and will give it a fair shake. I'll eat crow if my predictions were wrong (as they've been in the past). I actually was not a huge fan of IEMs out of the 2A3 MKIV when I owned it, FWIW. You mean avoiding direct confrontation but remaining hostile?