Magni 3 Heresy and 3+ Blind Listening

Discussion in 'Blind Testing and Psychoacoustics' started by purr1n, Dec 8, 2019.

  1. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    SINEAD

    Subjective
    Impression
    Numerated
    Exorcising
    Amir's
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    Riffing on your take, @purr1n

    Subjective
    Impressions
    Numerated
    Eliminating
    Audio
    Dementia
     
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    Suck it, nerds. Everyone adores distortion.
     
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    Psalmanazar was: dingleberry; now: chill + interesting

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    Amir is 10x worse than non English language gear reviews. Many sites and publications run full and consistent measurements over hundreds of products like sound and recording, prosound ixbt, audiofanzine, and a few polish sites. They also brutally take apart gear.
     
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    I was advised not to go for Schiit gear by some guys on ASR.

    Luckily I didn't listen. I don't really care about measurements, my ears don't care for sure.
    I also don't like clinical, analytical listening as it screws up my ears and worsens my tinnitus.

    All I know is that my Schiit stack sounds frikkin' amazing and I'm glad I went that route, end game for me.

    Measurements be damned if the sound isn't great. And who cares about the measurements if your gear sounds great anyway?

    I get that measurements can be useful and some people go nuts over it; but in an AUDIOphile hobby, let your ears do the "talking", which can't in any way be objectified.
     
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    I think the obsession some have for SINAD is having a baleful effect on audio. Reducing the evaluation of whether something is good or bad to a single metric is not sensible and drives unfortunate behaviours both among designers and purchasers.

    I am actually an advocate of measurement and consider that a suite of measurements can tell you quite a lot, as well as verifying manufacturer claims. However a number of things are rather important. You need to understand what you are measuring and have an agreed measurement protocol/standard if there is any intention for results to be repeatable and comparable. Measurement isn't just about buying a tool, I am not certain some of those measuring audio on some sites have any consistency in how equipment is measured, or follow standards, or perhaps more importantly understand principles such as uncertainty, repeatability or sensitivity of measured values to external influences and equipment duty. And perhaps just as importantly, measurements don't tell you much unless you know what they mean. Which of course is why people want to clutch onto something like SINAD as it is a simple "more/less = better/bad" concept that can be sold to anybody (and if they don't understand how limited it all is then fear not because manufacturers can manipulate the system and keep releasing a new DAC or headphone amp with a slightly better SINAD every year and watch people rush to buy).

    And then there is the real elephant, measurement in itself doesn't tell you whether you like a particular sound and does not indicate "niceness". Nor will it tell you anything about build quality, manufacturer support, long term dependability, user interface etc. I think it's already beyond a joke with equipment like DACs, now we see the same concept being pushed for speakers and no doubt we'll see the same culture of certain manufacturers realising that if they optimise performance around certain metrics they'll fin lots of accolades and no doubt some sales. And the effect on audio will be anything but positive.

    A lot of measurement types show contempt for subjective evaluation, but even as an advocate of objective evaluation using measurement I think obsessing over measurements that as so far beyond audible thresholds as to be all but meaningless is itself just a form of subjectivism.
     
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    Awesome! Should be on the SBAF t-shirts.


    SINEAD - the Amir specific version:

    Such
    Insights!
    Now,
    Eat
    A
    Dick
     
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    Senorx12562 Case of the mondays

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