Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    If you want to get all technical about it...

    Doesn't work. Takes too long. Birth rate <> population. Ultimately it's not about population control. It's eliminating a parasitic element, to very cruelly put it: people who are no longer productive to the point where they are burden to the tribe. Senicide to optimize productivity.

    It would not be short order. It would be at least two generations after - minimum. That's 50-60 years. If procreation is massive, there's no skew toward too many older people.

    There's also actually a better chance at equilibrium or the same problem: insufficient birth rate, not enough young people, when things are good and many causes of suffering are removed.

    Easy to unleash again, because this is just COVID-19. There are many others already in the works if not completed.

    I don't think long term depression in China is the CCP's / Xi Jinping's goal. It's hegemony over Asia. An army of people over 60 may not do so well taking over Taiwan.
     
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    Let's see the monte carlo simulation :D

    Then I have to question how culling the old helps that goal? While the old don't contribute as much productivity they're still part of the economic picture and killing them is going to hit GDP. That being said, I admit to not understanding how China's economy works.
     
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    It's like this for any economy.

    GDP is the wrong measure. It kinda works for comparative purposes for modern industrialized countries, but in reality it's like SINAD, marked as a measure for success where higher is always better. In reality, GDP is useless for determining qualitative value, whether an economy is healthy, sustainable, equitable, etc. When I was introduced to GDP in high school economics, I questioned it. No one gave me a satisfactory answer.

    Think about this: does China want their GDP to be dominated by health care costs, pensions, entitlements, grandpa buying new slippers; -or- the production of ships, chips, and bricks to assimilate the Pacific Rim?

    Or what happens when there are more people who consume more than they produce (past age 60) -vs- people who produce more than they they consume (ages 20-60).

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    The reason the USA doesn't need to worry about this: We are in fairly good shape. Although the birth rate is below replacement level, replacement comes from immigration, fairly young people with higher birth rates. Note small bumps for boomers and their spawn. There is some consensus that we can sustain a slightly higher population but should be thinking about stabilizing it.

    The reason we can't get immigration reform isn't that 'publicans are anti-immigration. 'publicans are actually pro-immigration, they just don't want immigrants voting for the other party!

    USA population pyramid 2020
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    Here's China's
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    Japan's already been in a world of hurt. This is the reason their growth rate is like 0 and their debt is 300% of GDP. This is what China wants to avoid. China could end up losing Mongolia, Tibet, and Xinjiang to insurrections one day.
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    Meta (Facebook parent company)stock is down 25%.
    First time ever I really want to buy iPhone. But the change of privacy rules by Apple is not the whole story:
    "in the case of daily active Facebook users in particular, the company actually lost 1 million users."

    That does not sound like much except it means one million people less uses FB each day and those the most active were really active to the level of crazy.
    JPMorgan cut the ratings first time ever.

    That clearly means that subjecting ourselves to surveillance and censorship is voluntary, and it it not the habit that cannot be broken.
    What a great day for humanity.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-facebook-parent-metas-stock-is-getting-crushed-141137947.html
     
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    So your point then Marv is China would prefer to have not just products but people that are cheap to produce, have a short lifespan, and are easily replaced. Guess that's not terribly far fetched. If this is the case, they should also halt all life extension research and encourage suicide among the elderly as an act of service.
     
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    LOL, this is Xi Jinping and Chinese communism we are talking about:
    • State > Individual
    • "Harmony" > Freedom
    Xi Jinping is like a way more competent Palpatine. XI's disadvantage is that he has had to deal with centuries of misrule in China. Now, I didn't say that the virus was released intentionally. I simply proposed that such a virus was a consideration on the part of the CCP; but that it unintentionally left the Wuhan lab. I don't think China would have let it leave the lab intentionally without first having an antidote. Oops. Shit happens. (China remains "locked down
    and closed today).

    I am pretty sure there's a word in both Japanese and the Chinese for self-senicide.

    Didn't the Comanche old people who were too weak (useless) intentionally leave themselves in the middle of nowhere when the tribe decided to move on? It's totally harsh, but stuff like this is why the Comanches kicked ass. I didn't know about the Comanche because US history doesn't teach us about them, but the Comanches were brutal and a major pain the ass to US expansion, blocking the USA in the southwest for generations. Huge swathes of Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma were Comanche territory that no white man dared enter. Watch the John Wayne movie The Searchers (loosely based on real events) to get an idea. Those dudes were brutal, dumping coals into captives' eviscerated stomachs, tying up captives between wagon wheels to slowly torture them to death. It took until a good decade after the Civil War to get them to surrender. The Comanches make Klingons look like pussies. Only other tribes of suitable bravery and honor, such as the Kiowas, were allowed to ally with them. They enslaved all the other tribes. (The US Army employed scouts from a tribe that the Comanches fucked over, funny how things work).

    The Washington Redskins should have been named the Comanches, because they were the fiercest and the tribe that held off the USA for the longest. Redskins are a politically incorrect caricature. Comanches will kill you and did so historically.
     
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    Indigenous Alaskans/Canadians and ice flows come to mind. Hello nice Polar bear.
     
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    And Zuck loses $29 Billion in net worth overnight. Glad to hear it.

    I don't know who Meta is supposed to appeal to other than ignorant kids who don't realize the dangers of living in a virtual landscape for extended periods of time. Granted, this already happens somewhat with internet and video game use, but VR hijacks your limbic system in a way that makes net surfing pale in comparison.... and I'm sure greedy advertisers are salivating at the thought of controlling a person's entire worldview from top to bottom now, with Zuck's latest venture as their trojan horse.
     
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    I'd call this "the new generation is ruining everything" alarmism but having used VR once I actually agree. I liked it and that scared me. Won't touch it. Call me old but I think it's going to result in huge misery for a lot of people.
     
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    We already let one of the strangest, least sociable people in the world redefine social interaction by popularizing a bizarre detached form of it that seems to be just worse for everyone who isn't given to puppetry. It can't be too surprising to see that same person, now at the head of a massively wealthy conglomerate, try to redefine reality by creating a bizarre detached form of it that distracts people from the real one and is just worse for almost everybody (possibly excepting puppeteers).

    One might say that the VR world could be better if the real world gets bad enough... except that if the real world gets -that- bad, it won't be able to support the VR world. And the people for who it's worst aren't going to get to play in it anyway.
     
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    I'm speaking specifically as a Brit here, re UK institutions...

    If the Comanches had been paying tax all their working lives, which included a specific and significant amount called National Insurance, which was specifically meant to cover their welfare needs (as well as contributing to those of others), they would probably have found "Happy retirement, now get out there and die," to be a pretty rough payback. I think it is bad enough that the benefits have been whittled and cut and pared away, year after year, is a pretty rough payback. A private insurance company would not have been allowed to get away with that.

    There was a nasty little tory schoolboy who stood up at a Young Conservatives Conference, and expressed something similar to the idea of sending the old out into the frost due to their no longer being contributors. I forget his name, don't much care, but yes, he did become a tory MP.

    Indeed it is voluntary, and some of us never did. Not to facebook, at least, but I have to confess that I find Google useful enough to have sold my soul to them. I let Google remember where I was last Tuesday, because sometimes I want to know, and I never remember.
    The new opium of the masses?
     
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    Nope. It's a desperation move. Zuckerberg is out of ideas. He was out of ideas at the start when Facebook was a f**k-or-not college project. Facebook hasn't done jack shit since then. All they've done is buy out competitors like Instagram, but the problem is that you can't buy them all out. Facebook still has that shit interface. Nextdoor is much better vehicle to find out how shitty your neighbors are. Tiktok is way better at gathering behavioral data for the CCP while putting smiles on kids faces.

    VR could be great. I'm in meetings all day and find that human connection lacking. Actually I find the spontaneity of human communication lacking. There are ways that can this be accomplished without the need for VR. I found ways to make communication super fun and effective: a virtual whiteboard using MS paint with my mad MS paint skills.

    I will start with completely blank canvas on MS paint, and start to draw parts, encouraging people to interrupt and ask questions. I find folks (including senior people) bemused at first, but then they suddenly get it. The old approach with pre-made fancy Powerpoints and fancy Visios, for some reason, that stuff just makes people's' eyes gloss over. After several meetings, difficult to communicate concepts still don't take with these traditional presentation methods.

    I know I've done a good job with my MS Paint Picassos when people nod their heads, tell me they are satisfied, won't need any more meetings, and get this: ask me for a copy of my super janky MS paint drawings.

    Here is an example (sensitive stuff redacted)
    upload_2022-2-3_17-7-1.png

    Can I get a copy of that?
    Are you sure, it kinda looks like crap?
    Oh no, that's super useful to me.


    Yes, VR could make online virtual meetings even more excellent, bring back more of that human touch. The problem is that no one wants to wear a Kylo Renn helmet and gloves and no one wants to pay for them either. A Wacom tablet (on order) would already up my game.
     
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    I have an important meeting coming up in a couple of weeks that centers on a personnel and community issue that is difficult, particularly for the conflict avoidance/nice people.

    This has given me an idea, getting them to 'complete the picture' themselves of what happens in various action and non-action scenarios. Thanks!
     
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    I totally start from scratch without any notes. Oftentimes the people involved already have some idea, so I invite audience participation when I have a brain fart (I always do). The important thing is that we get some laughs and bond over the absurdity of the situation.

    A recent meeting I got to draw a lizard brain and a human brain, to explain why certain kinds of phishing attacks work so well, e.g. "from: CEO subject line: corporate layoffs".

    I want my quarantined email restored!
    #denied. It's a phish
    Oh no you don't! it's from the President of the company and it's about layoffs! I demand that you restore it.

    Push the right buttons to set off fight&flight response, and human rationality gets overridden.
     
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    Not if you want to use the internet, or any modern commercial mobile or computer OS, or any apps. You're being tracked in a hundred different ways that are invisible to the user, some of which will even bypass OS level Firewalls, DNS, and VPNs. Not that there is any reason to trust commercial privacy VPNs.

    The phones and computers of almost every single person on the planet are constantly chirping like little birdies, sending your data to countless unknown destinations without your knowledge.

    OS and App behaviour is verifiable by anyone running Wireshark in monitoring mode to observe device network traffic.
     
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    a bit harsh. as a product for consumers, yes, they hardly provide value or innovation. as a product for businesses (advertising vehicle with insane demo. reach and engagement statistics) they remain one of the best if not the best on the internet. their revenue versus the capital expenditures required to maintain their revenue streams (practically zero) is insane.

    the media likes to shit all over Zuckerberg and FB constantly, to the point where it starts to feel like a smear campaign half the time. Facebook is still a grossly profitable business with steady growth, and over the long term has been undeterred by market trends. the Meta/VR stuff is just a reflection of all that's left for grossly profitable giant tech company to do: invest in developing tech that seems crazy and laughable until 5 years later it is the market norm, and no one is laughing anymore.
     
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    The problem is that FB / Meta / whatever now has a serious branding issues and headwinds for further growth, not to mention antitrust concerns. For a "high-growth" tech stock to have a PE ratio of 16 as of 2/3/2022 (steadily decreasing since 2013 when it as 1000) is bad news. That kind of PE ratio is for electrical utilities! This means it's no longer a growth stock. Considering that dividends are zero, it's not particularly attractive. All good things come to an end. It was a good ride. This happened to IBM (perma) and it happened to Microsoft (which was able to pivot to Cloud).

    I'd put my money on Microsoft doing the "Meta" thing first*, considering their recent acquisition of Activision and how far and quickly they've come with Teams, which has steadily replaced the a combination of Slack, Zoom, WebEx, etc. FB doesn't have the creative team to do Meta. Those creative teams lie in interactive (gaming) and M&E (movies and TV). I don't see FB chasing after the talent or making acquisitions or investments in either of these two industries. This tells me they are slow or don't know WTF they need to do in order to truly to Meta.

    There's also a good chance that Netflix and maybe Apple join in. Less so Apple because Apple has become completely uncreative since Jobs died and is now lead by a master Jedi beancounter. At least Apple provides a small dividend. Amazon will try too, but their attempts will be half-hearted and has-been.

    There's also the possibility that a relative unknown ends up winning. I've alpha-tested some corporate "Meta" meeting shit already - it's kind of gimmicky TBH.

    *Actually, M$ will probably be second or third, but they will do it well and eventually crush everyone.
     
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    I am old enough to remember two post war German chancellors with balls, Brandt whose sincere apologetically gesture in Warsaw in 1970 took some balls and Schmidt who went through with the NATO double track decision knowing full well he risked the failure of his coalition government (and fail it did).
    At the time I did not believe it would work. I did not care much for Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher but you have to give it to them their plan to bankcrupt the USSR with the arms race worked.
    Schmidt is one of the last statesmen Germany has had. Now we have an ex chancellor who is Putin‘s whore.
     
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    I think the strength in what you're doing is people have an easier time following what is iterative and revealed as interrelated parts rather than an overloaded slide.

    This may sound stupid but maybe we need a file format that is not an animated GIF, not a powerpoint, not a video, not purely audio, but allows easily sequenced combination of those pieces.
     
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