Schiit (MultiBit) Bifrost

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  1. Hands

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    What was the 4X NOS bullet point on the MB Bifrost description board? A joke or some particular type of OS filter?

    Also, ran into that same bug today with their Macbooks and MB Bifrost. Really weird, digital, distorted sound. Cleared right up with cable unplug/replug or input selection switched. Heard that on pre-production unit too. Schiit rep also said they had issues with MB Bifrost on their Dell hybrid laptops, yet MB Gungnir worked fine. Same USB board, right? That's what he said. He seemed as confused as I did if they are indeed identical USB boards. (Note I said specific Dell machine and not broad Windows)

    That said, this sounds WAY better than the pre-production unit when it was working (which was basically 99% of the time, from what I could tell). Very enjoyable to listen to with Lyr2 and HD650. Definitely a steal! I might buy one myself.
     
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    From the product FAQ:

    What’s this about a non-oversampling (NOS) mode?
    For 176.4kHz and 192kHz input sample rates, Bifrost Multibit passes the music right along—no digital filter, no oversampling. Have fun! Upsample lower-rate music with another algorithm, and compare to our “comboburrito” filter.
     
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    This finally sounds affordable.
    Shit,, ops... Schiit, any chance it coming to Malaysia?
     
  4. purr1n

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    Here are my Power Points:
    1. Warm it up for a few hours for maximum plankton, clarity, and microdynamics. (Or just leave it on all the time.)
    2. MegaComboBurritoFilter >> JRiver upsampling to 192kHz. Upsampling closes the entire stage. Sense of soundwave propagation from instruments, especially bass (long wave lengths), separation, layering, positioning, angles, they get become discombobulated and simplified without the MegaComboBurritoFilter. The sense of space is really amazing with the Filter. I really don't think Bifrost Multibit loses to Gungnir Multibit/Yggdrasil in terms of space (other than ambient cues, focus, etc.)
    3. Those who were concerned about the "wooley bass" issues of the pre-production "reDACted^2" impressions need not be worried. I also felt the bass to treble integration wasn't quite "together" with the pre-production "reDACted^2". These issues no longer exist. Nothing weird, No tonal aberrations at all. A nice warm tone. I would pair with HD600 rather than HD650; but that depends upon amp and personal preferences too.
    4. The Bifrost MB sounds a bit different from the Gungnir Multibit/Yggdrasil. The sound is warmer and lusher. Really easy going. Not even a hint of strange digital treble. Makes Modi 2 or Bifrost DS sound grainy, and Modi 2/Bifrost aren't even close to bad in that regard.
    5. Not as analytical as GumbyYggy (if one felt that way) - doesn't have the precision, focus, and massive resolution. More forgiving in that sense and might even be more "fluid". Doesn't quite "dig in" and involve as much with Gungnir Multibit/Yggdrasil, but exhibits strong hints. Still very good microdynamics easily exceeding DACs with Fisher Price toy cosmetics.
    6. Reminds of bit of the Sonic Frontiers PCM1702 based TransDAC. Just more resolving, better space, slightly harder hitting. (Ravi, this is your TransDAC replacement).
    7. Yeah, as lm4der said, it crushes Modi 2. Much much more resolving, fluid, and smooth. Greater clarity in the bottom registers - makes Modi 2 sound confused in comparison.
    Wish I had something like a DAC19 around to compare it again to, but the PCM1704 does have a very distinctive sound for better or worse. I'm pretty sure this DAC would sound better if it were put in a bigger chassis with lights, meters, and lead weights.
     
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    Dude, this is a DAC for me. Everything you described is what I'm after. I've got a buddy who just sent me an Audio-GD Reference 5 at a great price (4x PCM1704UK balanced DAC). I'd be happy to check it out next to the Multibifrost.
     
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    I've heard the Ref 5 and have a good idea how it sounds, but looking forward to your AGD Reference 5 comparison. Bimbo has the advantage of theBurrito filter and a more accurate DA chip. REF 5 has a fully discrete analog stage, stacked DA chips, and crazy power supply.
     
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    Cool. Thanks!
     
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    I have been waiting and saving, looking for a compact multibit stack to drive HD800s.

    Bifrost > [Insert amp here] > HD800...

    Asgard? Valhalla?? Or something else? I have Valhalla-type money remaining in my budget.
     
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    Differences aren't huge unless you do exotic tube rolling; Val 2, unless you want flexibility to run orthos like HE-560, etc. Other possibilities are Torpedo or Crack, but those are DIY.
     
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    @Purrin Would you say the new Bifrost MB and Valhalla 2 are the new best pairing under 1K for HD800? I have a Concero HD DAC connected to my Valhalla 2 right now, and I am wondering if going to Bifrost MB is a downgrade, sidegrade or upgrade, and unless I first sell the Concero HD, I can't afford a Gungnir Multibit at this time.
     
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    Hard to say if it's the best pairing as there are many combinations that I haven't explored yet. The Schiit gear tends to be discussed here because it's cheap (high value), so we can afford to buy it ourselves and try it out.

    From memory, I am almost positive the Bimbo is warmer, more natural sounding, more refined, and stages better than Concero. I never liked the Concero much, especially with HD800.

    P.S. I just realized the first sentence sort of answers your question.
     
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    These are the kind of products that catch my interest: nicely priced and still damn good.
    However I think I will soldier on, considering how much the DAC industry has improved in the last few years I might end up better by holding off on new stuff.

    Thanks for the impressions!
     
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    Now we only need Schiit to build a budget-friendly estat amp and dominate the dac/amp market
     
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    I'm having a problem with the USB drivers for the Bifrost Multibit. I've been using the Bifrost Multibit connected through the Wyrd to my computers, and that works. However it does not work when connected directly to the computer, sans wyrd. I am actually sort of surprised that it works through the wyrd, as I thought it needed drivers regardless.

    In any case, I am trying to install the Schiit drivers, but I get an error msg from the driver installation stating that it cannot find a CMedia USB device. I've tried this on two different computers, a Lenovo laptop running Win 7, and a Surface Pro 3 running Windows 10 (using the appropriate drivers for each from the Schiit website). I've tried the driver install with the Bifrost Multibit connected to the computer directly, and also connected through the wyrd, same result. I can hear the Bifrost Multibit click sometimes when the driver install attempts the device detection. It really is as if the Bifrost Multibit device doesn't declare itself as cmedia, perhaps a firmware problem in the Bifrost Multibit. Any thoughts greatly appreciated
     
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    Switched over from CDP to try USB. Same error. The driver software won't recognize the Bifrost Multibit USB as Cmedia.
     
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    Update - When Bifrost Multibit is connected through the Wyrd, the device manager shows a Schiit Usb Gen 2 device in the sound controllers. The details for this device driver show that it is a usb audio class 1 and 2 device driver. So it would seem that the correct driver is installed on the system, but is only usable from a "hub". It may be that my usb ports are underpowered on both computers.
     
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    Harsh?, don't know what you are feeding the Asgard with but at RMAF the Senn 800s sounded freaking sublime with the Asgard2 fronted by the Bifrost Multibit.
     
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    This is direct from USB without Wyrd. The USB driver software won't recognize the Bifrost Multibit.
    bimbyusb.jpg

    This is via Wyrd. Unknown device.
    bimbyusbwyrd.jpg

    I'll give it a shot on another PC.
     
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    In this case, it's most likely USB port power management if it works with a Wyrd (it would then work with a hub as well.) It's the same firmware we've been using in the Gen 2 USB cards for, like, a million years. Or at least three.
     
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    Now this is just strange. Let me know how it goes.
     

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