Schiit Yggdrasil new flavours (Less is More, More is Less)

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by rlow, Sep 9, 2021.

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Which one will you get (or want to get)?

  1. Less is More

    35.1%
  2. More is Less

    3.1%
  3. A new OG (or sticking with my A2)

    18.6%
  4. Sticking with my current A1 (the old OG)

    4.1%
  5. Too expensive / Don’t give a Schiit

    19.6%
  6. Curious about both / Undecided

    19.6%
  1. purr1n

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    Blame Audio Scientologists. There is a preference from the designer. I do not want to speak on behalf of the designer; however we can gather this from second hand sources.

    Now imagine if only the LIM was released. The Audio Scientologists would have a field day, spouting crap that Schiit is shit. That Schiit engineers are dumbshits and turds. That the LIM is not state-of-the-art (LOL nothing in audio is SOTA). If it's not much effort to release the DAC1101111 or whatever, why not? Gotta keep in line when walking the streets of Taliban controlled cities ya know. No one wants a beating, even if the beating is unfair. Besides, please the mullah, and the mullah will make sure you can make a few bucks off heretical products like opium or Hersey edition amps.
     
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    I was half expecting him to prefer A1 / GS. :D

    (Yeah, I know it wasn't there)
     
  3. Merrick

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    Based on the sound descriptions I totally expected Mike to prefer LiM. The way the different reviewers described it, it sounds like a Grateful Dead show in a box.
     
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    Added a poll to see where SBAFers might be leaning (I’m leaning toward a LIM).
     
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    How about changing the poll question a bit: Sth like "Which one are you the most curious with?".
    OG (control) vs LIM vs MIL vs LIM+MIL (equal curiosity)
     
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    Too scientific. Plus, curiousity killed the cat - make a decision! Lol. I did update the choices to add curious about both/undecided. Also I can’t edit the question or previous answers (my SBAF powers are limited).
     
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    You could say I'm bi-curious...
     
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    Oh yeah, let me make another excuse: Freyas need to be shipped to customers first. I think Rag is just easier with wires all over the place. Setting up double-blind tests = mess of wires.
     
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    LOL, there is no wrong choice. There is only constant upgrading and never being happy. When desire is fulfilled, it's fleeting. This is why I personally put huge stock in the impressions of people who do not regularly cycle gear in their systems. That being said:
    • I do feel the LIM is the most approachable option with respect to building a system around or having gear that happens to synergize with it.
    • The OG (A2) has the most protentional and maybe even the most fun, but it takes a bit more elbow grease to get the most from it. Also, constant fun may not always be fun.
    • The MIL is the best if you like measurements or don't want to be weirded out too much coming from common delta-sigma DACs.
     
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    Reading this thread has me thinking the LIM is a Schiit version of the Soekris DAC2541. If one thought (not me by the way) this sort of DAC flavor was for them, what would be the details that separate them?
     
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    No snark at all: I deserved that. FOMO/Shiny Quarter Syndrome moment got the better of me there in my original reply.

    Thread winner right here.
     
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    Its interesting how there seems to be some correlation between superb measuring gear sounding a bit harsh. I guess it ties into that theory of many folks preferring some amount even-order harmonic distortion.

    I'm not sure which one to go with. I thought the GS A1 sounded great, but sometimes a tad too hot up top. Yet, I also don't mind many of the better ESS implementations. Maybe I'd prefer LIM, but I'm super interested in MIL. Especially interesting that Jason and Mike preferred the opposite of what you'd expect... Makes it all the more confusing because I think I'd generally prefer what Jason prefers. :)
     
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    Given how far I've gone to tune my main system around the A2, it would be dumb to change it.

    My bedroom 2ch tho, I could move the B2 to my SW51+ and put LIM in it.

    Dark tonality is key there to stop the ATCs from getting peaky.

    We'll see, it's not a cheap upgrade and I need a new graphics card, which is roughly the same cost. :confused:
     
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    Based on this launch, was just thinking this opens up a number of interesting questions about Schiit DACs in the future.:
    1. What the heck are they going to do with the next Gungnir Multibit?
    2. Will there eventually be a TI board available that can be swapped on BF2? The Autonomy architecture of the BF2 seems a perfect candidate for a TI board option.
    3. Will Schiit go TI with Modi Multibit? Jason had mentioned previously that they were planning to kill off Modi Multibit becuase of size issues and cost constraints I believe. Does a TI version make Modi Multibit more viable?
    I’m sure a lot of this will be based on the sales and critical reception (aka reviews) of the new TI versions, but assuming they are generally well accepted, it seems to throw a lot of variables into the potential future of Schiit’s Multibit DACs.
     
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    I’d love to see similar board options for the Gungnir. If I could get a similar tonality to the A1 with better timbre and blackground, I’d consider a small hit in resolution to get it. And I’d love for them to keep the entry level firm factor alive with a Multibit option since Modi Multibit is so long in the tooth.
     
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    Alright, LiM received, powered up, and warming up. And yep, it's an Yggdrasil. Shocking, I know.

    Going to attack it tonight and tomorrow morning. Right now, I'll go through the Pro iCAN to a variety of cans. But mostly excited for the AMP-23R to show up. tick/tock.
     
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    Probably not meant to be taken literally -- but this reminds me that the differences between these flavors are likely super subtle. And since I had at times found the Yggdrasil GS to be somewhat unforgiving, maybe I'd be best off with the LiM. I was worried that the LiM may be too rolled off or smoothed over or not detailed enough. But then I remember...
    I'm sure it will have plenty of detail. So, while my brain says "more bits is more better," I plan on measuring with my ears and a nice glass of whiskey -- not an audio analyzer. :)

    Looking forward to reading more impressions!
     
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    Yup, it's still an Yggdrasil. Consider that the LIM shares these parts: motherboard, which basically the power supply; and the digital receiver and digital filter processing. Power supplies have their own sound. I shit you not! When I got the Gungnir MB very earlier on, I told Jason that I heard vestiges of the Gungnir DS. That's the power supply.

    Yes and no. It my understanding that Dave and Mike immediately noticed the difference and could tell which was which during the double blind test. I'm not surprised at all. You design (through listening) or if you live through this stuff (listening day after day), you know what you are listening to. The problem with people who fail blind tests is that they are often not familiar with the gear that they are listening to. You can ask people at the meets I've gone to where within five seconds, maybe just the few first notes or the intro of a track, I can tell they whether I think it's garbage. Really, it doesn't take me that long. But I've had a lot of practice.
     

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