The HD800 EQ-ing Thread

Discussion in 'Modifications and Tweaks' started by TwoEars, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. Vtory

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    Thanks @gepardcv for pointing out oratory's 800 (non-s) setting. After googling for a while, I got this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6czdp06yd7bzvb7/Sennheiser HD800 (5 Band EQ).pdf?dl=0
    (prol this is what you meant)

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    (For simplicity I am calling 10B 800S setting Oratory1 and 5B 800 one Oratory2)

    My hd800 with Oratory2 sounds much better than with 1. Subjectively it sounds a bit rougher in the upper registers but quite tasteful and engaging for many modern tracks. Found myself preferring 1 with acoustic instrument things though. Will give them more head time anyway. lol

    Bass perception is determined and confounded by very many factors -- even including midrange and treble tones. And likely harman guys, study participants, HT-advocates, and HT-lovers may "perceive" 800 as extremely bass-shy like you said.

    My view is a little different

    (1) My purpose is to find "more neutral" and this is not always preferred (even by myself). Indeed I can easily see myself preferring oratory1 (and 2) or sorrodje for some tracks.
    (2) That said, my reference of "just right bass" is the closest to LCD2 (and 2 classic), rather than Dr Olive's work. And this is highly correlated with sbaf-compensated flat response in entire bass (20-200hz). While there may be some benefits of harman's "perceptionally preferred" bass levels, I will not regard it as "neutral" any day.
    (3) And both subjectively and objectively to me (and my humble rig-wise) hd800 is not bass-shy or bass-light. Ignoring its' treble-head oriented (aka upward) tonality, the real problem (against neutrality) is midbass hump (kinda typical problems of many dynamic drivers with open-back structure). My EQ is trying to address that problem. And this is in line with how I define "neutrality". Of course ymmv.

    As an aside, I have nearly distrusted gras45ca because of many shits generated from that fixture, oratory's work changed my thought to some extent. Evil is software (compensations), rather than hardware.
     
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    I adjusted it a bit looking at the HD800S measurements and I like it better then Oratory1990. A bit "enhanced" HD-8000S but very natural, slightly tamed treble, more pronounced mids, a bit more bass but still well under control.
     
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    I've been trying to do this myself with the HD800S. I tried 2 different VST wrappers.. one crashes foobar and not much success with the second either.
    Which wrapper are you using? Are there any other specific output settings that need to be used? (WASAPI/DS, 24/32bit etc)
     
  4. SoupRKnowva

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    I am using this one https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,84947.0.html

    I also went through a phase where I was using FabFilter Pro-Q instead, cause Electri-Q is kind of finnicky, it likes to crash while you are messing around with it. But then my free trial ended, so i went back to Electri-Q heh


    Also as an update, I have tried all of the other suggested EQ settings posted in the thread, with my SDR modded HD800, and I dont like any of them as much as the Oratory HD800S settings, with a 7.5db Bass Shelf instead of his 10db or whatever.
     
  5. EagleWings

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    @Kattefjaes , if there was one thing that most 800 owners agreed upon, it was that the headphone works really well for orchestral music. But this post and your other post on the E2 thread, has thrown some light into how the 800, in it’s native form, doesn’t render accurate timbre even for orchestral music. Have you come across any EQ or mods, that made you feel the timbre issue was mostly alleviated?
     
  6. Kattefjaes

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    Not really. The Superdupont mod is obviously a must-have to stop that peak from fucking you in the ear, and the bathmat mod can be pretty good. Sonicworks helped too (even after throwing it out of whack a bit from their profile with the mods). Dialling it down a bit with the wet/dry helped.

    The end result is quite nice-sounding headphones (and the bass takes EQ waaaay better than the HD800S), but they still don't really sound as good as they should for big orchestral sounds.

    Maybe a custom measurement profile would help somewhat?

    Personally, I'd accept them for what they are, enjoy them for what they're good at. You can pick up a used pair quite cheaply and mod them, and they're great to have, and super-comfy. Given the crazy price inflation with headphones as they have become a premium lifestyle tchotchke for status-obsessed dickheads (hi Rafe!), it's still well worth snapping up a pair for a song and modding them- hard to beat for the (used) price for a lot of stuff.
     
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    Sonarworks :)?
     
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    Thank you. I do have a pair of 800 with the SDR & SBAF mods, and use it with the Sonarworks Ref 4 and EQ. With the mods and EQ, the timbral weirdness does not stand out to me, as I do not have much exposure to live orchestra. I was curious to hear your thoughts, as you have a lot of exposure to live orchestra.
     
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    Yeah, thingy. You know what I mean :)

    @EagleWings - don't overrate my insight, I might be just plain wrong, you know. I'm just some guy on the internet- not an expert. I mean, they always sound more like headphones than an orchestra to me, but some people like that.
     
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