Timeless 7hz Ortho iem - Finally a Good Ortho iem!

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  1. Bob Smith8901

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    Nice take and I agree. As a person that only owns two IEMs--The Timeless and Fiio F9 Pro I can't really speak with any authority as I'm way more an over-ear guy. With Timeless my experience has been generally positive but I have found that the larger stock tips--the dark blue with yellow--work best for me as my main complaint was lack of sound stage coherency, which these tips fixed pretty much--I.e. the seal was better. Also, these can be sibilant and that can get wearing on certain music. Mine are not much burned in--maybe 6-7 hours total play-- so that may be a factor. Also I find with higher current amps--my Schiit Magni2 Uber being the best example of stuff I own---gives the best sound return and from reading multiple reviews, like all planars, the sound improves markedly with higher current. My Shanling DAP w/760mW does OK but not ideal.
     
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    somehow the sound has changed drastically with my Timeless. When I wrote this review, they sounded bass heavy out of my iPod touch, but neutral out of my Liquid Gold X or Liquid fire. Now, with the same tips, they sound very thin, basslite and treblely. I didn't notice it changing because I was only using them for movies. But then I listened to some music I know and was shocked. I can't figure out what the hell could have happened. I even compared them to another pair of Timeless, and they sound the same now. I'm baffled. Maybe my ears have changed shape? I miss that good, even sound.
     
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    I'm more familiar with dynamic headphones but presuming that your ears haven't somehow dramatically changed shape, thereby breaking what might have been a good seal in your initial review, wouldn't it be possible that some perforations might have formed in the diaphragm or that something happened in the space between diaphragm and tube channel (whatever you call it)? I see that there are some vent on the inner side of the IEM chassis; are these just holes or is there any material like paper or foam there to regulate flow that might have been compromised?
     
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    @Lyander Accidents are very unlikely to happen to the 4 sides of the two Timelesses.

    I would suggest you investigate what the other system you've been listening to during your break from the Timeless.
     
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    It's very odd. They're not broken because like I said, I compared them to a brand new unit and they both sounded way off. I'm not talking a small shift, I'm talking balanced sounding to very bass lite and treble happy.

    ism's are just fucking weird.
     
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    I've got the loaner unit right now and, as with shotgunshane, I've found the fit to be problematic. The shells are clearly not sealing well: I have to press them gently into my ears as far as they'll go, but they won't stay there for long.

    The problem is that the antihelix or superior/inferior(?) crus of my ear presses against the outer circular disc of the IEMs, which means they're gradually pushed out of the ear canals.

    This happens very slowly and gradually, and only after a few minutes do I notice the bass disappearing.

    I can get good, solid, deep bass at first. But I can't keep it.

    The solution? Either taping down my ears or employing a g-clamp mod:

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    To me, it is more high end presence. I noticed this the other day as cymbals sounded cleaner and things were not as quite rolled off on the top end. It is not piercing in any way, just a bit more air in the 6-8k range maybe a db or so.

    So maybe not less bass, but a hair more treble as the driver gets a bit worn in, which to me is not a bad thing. It makes me a bit worried about the S12.
     
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    Ok, I’ve just had a similar experience to yours. These are fussy IEMs when it comes to getting the right fit and an ideal seal. With most IEMs it’s easy to tell if you don’t have the right seal because of the immediate tinny, thin, bright sound. What’s tricky with the 7 Hz is that there seem to be degrees of poorer and better seal, and small adjustments in placement can make a significant difference.

    What’s confounding is that tonight, for about half an hour, I couldn’t get the 7 Hz to sound right no matter how I angled the IEMs in my ear canal and no matter how deeply I inserted the nozzles. The sound wasn't entirely or immediately wrong, just shades of different: the bass was lighter, but still there, although sub-bass was essentially gone; as a result, the overall tonality tilted brighter, unsurprisingly; orchestral music had a kind of sheen to it, with massed strings being too smooth and without enough bite; the same could be said for electric guitars in rock music; much of the complexity of the sound was gone, particularly with textures. Macrodynamics were softer, and the staging, while being as wide and deep as before, lost its height, which messed up layering, separation, and imaging.

    And then, suddenly, with another fiddle with the shells, everything snapped back into place. I’m using the Penon tips you like, @rhythmdevils, and I suspect that part of the problem, at least for part of the time, was that the tips needed time to warm up.

    Anyway, I’ve also found that angling the IEMs into my ear canals helps alleviate the tendency of the tips being pushed out by my ears’ anatomy: I rotate the shells slightly off a vertical line: imagine the left monitor being angled towards 11 o’clock and the right monitor tilting towards 1 o’clock (but not as far as that, more like 10 degrees than 30). In other words, the nozzle is angled slightly upwards into my ear canal. It also helps if I rotate the IEMs forward, toward the front of my head, like this, if you imagine looking down from above and onto the top of my head: / O \
     
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    Yeah I had the same thing happen to me, too. Especially my left ear, which is bigger than right.
    I just need to rotate them a bit and they seal again and the bass comes back.
     
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    Agreed @Tchoupitoulas

    "These are fussy IEMs when it comes to getting the right fit and an ideal seal. With most IEMs it’s easy to tell if you don’t have the right seal because of the immediate tinny, thin, bright sound. What’s tricky with the 7 Hz is that there seem to be degrees of poorer and better seal, and small adjustments in placement can make a significant difference."

    They are frustrating this way. I still love them, I have to use to AZLA Crystal Tips that are sticky and glue to my ears. :)
     
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    TIMELESS 7HZ IEM REVIEW

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    Thanks to @rhythmdevils for organizing this loaner. I’ve been out of the IEM game for a while, but I’m glad this loaner came my way because I’m considering purchasing a pair and (like everyone else) I’ve been otherwise pretty fed up with the amount of high-priced BS floating around in the IEM market in particular.

    SETUP notes:

    I’ve been using this loaner from my laptop’s jack and from an EarStudio ES100 (supposedly 0.5-1ohm OI), both of which I’m sure aren’t ‘ideal’ synergies but given I would likely only ever use an IEM from one of these two devices, I saw no reason to audition them beyond my use-case. I’m using these with the medium-sized tips that came in the small plastic bag instead of the plastic case - after quickly rolling through the options I settled on these for my preferences. I’m using the stock cable, because if I were to purchase these, I probably couldn’t be bothered to spend anything on an IEM cable because I’m cheap and don’t care that much about the last 1% when it comes to IEM performance.

    It sounded much better from the ES100 in terms of dynamic nuance and clarity, so I did most of my listening on that device. I imagine my laptop jack might have output impedance a bit too high for these, but I don’t have the spec offhand. The ES100 does a decent enough job driving some 32 ohm headphones of mine that are less sensitive than the Timeless 7hz so I see no reason why it wouldn’t do a good enough job to evaluate the Timeless 7hz. Maybe I’ll upgrade to an iFi in the future, but alas, I used what I had on hand.

    I don’t have much to say about build quality and comfort - I have no problems in either category. I’m privileged to have ear anatomy that tends to do fairly well with IEMs in terms of comfort. I wore these for several hours without any pain or discomfort. They seem like they could take a drop on the ground without damage. Good enough for what I want out of an IEM. Moving on to sonics.

    From a tonal perspective, I have pretty much no issues with them. I don’t hear them as completely dead flat, but they’re very close - closer than any other IEM I’ve heard to date (I’ve heard the range of CFAs and 64 Audio IEMs, FDX1, Aurisonics Rockets, modded Periodic Be, pretty much everything that's been at CanJam since 2017 til now, some others I’m probably forgetting about). The Timelss 7Hz is a complete victor in that regard. If you want to read my longer-winded completely nitpicky take on the tonal response, feel free to read the collapsed section below:

    I hear a broad and shallow recession where the bass meets the low mids and a little bit of a push in the 1.5-2.5khz area (which is ideal to a certain extent with many IEMs, but I need a bit less energy here than some others). The mids have the smallest hint of honk or nasality to me because of this but it’s well blended with the upper mids and doesn’t exceed the bass level so it doesn’t especially stick out. After that gentle push, a gradual slope down through the rest of the high frequency response. That’s not to say that the highs are recessed or muted however - the HF extension is exceptional for an IEM at any price and very impressive. From a tonal standpoint these are immediately accessible and easy to listen to without sounding especially fucked up in any way.

    If I could wish for anything different about the tonality, I’d probably just want a touch more upper bass / low mid energy to give a richer texture to bass harmonics and low fundamentals of melodic instruments/voices and have that middle-mid push maintain energy for another octave up to about 5khz before sloping down into the highs instead of starting to slope down after 2.5khz or so - just for a bit of extra crispness with percussive instruments. As they are now, I do hear things like cymbals as having more ‘schisshle’ than ‘sizzle’ if that makes sense - just a bit of a ‘shhhh’ sound to the highs. Regardless, the tonal deviations that I hear are the sort of thing that brain burn-in is enough to acclimate to within minutes and not perpetually obvious - probably because the tonal contouring is very gradual/smooth/peakless. I know some people were scared by some graphs that showed a treble spike, but as others have said, I don’t hear any peaks at all, and I’m someone who is usually completely intolerable to narrow spikes.

    In the headstage department, I felt these did a decent job with imaging and had a nice evenly distributed left to right stage even though it didn’t sound especially deep, wide, or layered. Maybe it’s the ES100. Regardless, even if they’re not particularly impressive in this department I honestly don’t care about this when I’m on IEMs. They get the job done.

    Dynamic nuance is the weak spot for these IEMs in my opinion (and again, maybe it’s the ES100). There’s an odd ‘tilt-shift’ type effect here. There’s a sweet spot where the microdynamics max out in terms of energy swings / contrast, about in the middle mids where there’s a gentle tonal push. Outside of that range they increasingly feather out and become softer and more ambiguous with less immediate starts and stops to fluctuating energy (this is more obvious as you go down in FR than up, but I still perceive it in both directions to a certain extent). Thankfully the middle mid area is critical to important parts of a mix like vocals and melodic lines so clarity and perceived resolution (which are kind of intertwined with transient presentation in my mind) don’t take a huge hit. Maybe amplification could fix this to some extent. However, these IEMs simply don’t do well with rapidly moving basslines, tending towards a kind of sloshy and indistinct wall of energy in the bottom half of the response in particular (albeit with excellent tone). Despite the fact that the bass doesn’t have obvious distortion/coloration and is well balanced, it’s not great with higher tempo instrumentals and especially fast-paced electronic music. However, given the transient presentation these IEMs have, it makes me second-guess my wish for a bit more low-mid energy as it would probably further exacerbate this perceived weakness.

    I know IEMs are always a game of compromises, and with that in mind I feel these are exceptionally well implemented. The drivers are clearly quite capable of excellent bandwidth, low distortion, and resolve in the mids where it matters most. I wonder if my points of criticism have something to do with the housing parameters / venting / damping etc, or if it’s just my lowly electronics. Regardless, the compromises are few and forgivable which is more than I can say of most other IEMs I’ve heard at any price. I anticipate purchasing a set.
     
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  12. Brause

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    My 5 cents on the Timeless...

    Disclaimer

    A big thanks to Rockwell for his loaner of the Timeless as part of the Western Canadian tour. Coincidentally, the LETSHUOER S12 arrived at around the same time so that I could compare both planar magnetics...which you mainly find in the S12 thread.

    Brief Sound Impressions
    The Timeless first experienced high appreciation on YouTube for mainly two reasons: great bass for a planar magnetic iem, and for being "better" than much more expensive planar magnetics. This started somewhat of a run at these.

    And yes, there is bass, and much of it. And there is good extension. But, and that's of course subjective, it came across as soft and pillowy to my ears. I was craving slam and the low end became tiresome to my ears after a while.

    This makes for a rather abrupt transition to the lower midrange, which is lean and, to a lesser extent bright. I followed Biodegraded's advise to add composure to the bass by using JVC Spiral Dots, but this only partially mitigated the issue for me.

    Midrange, albeit naturally lean, if not partially masked by the midbass in some situations, is mostly clean and clear.

    Treble is soso, and very similar to S12. Extension is great, treble resolution is good, upper transients are fast to oversharpened (“tizziness”), there is good air but also the occasional metallic sheen to it.

    Technicalities are overall pretty good and so are resolution and separation. However, the soundstage is too shallow and there is not enough pizazz for my taste.

    In summary, midbass, dynamics, and lack of soundstage depth are the dealbreaker for me. And the fit is not great for my flappers either.

    More comparison with the S12 in the S12 thread.
     
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    The dynamics I feel are most important to amplification. This is where the amp matters and a better amp will yield a better macrodynamics on these and not feel kind of strained. Not for loudness per se, more for SQ and dynamic swing. Even so, I never felt as slamming as a modded T-50 or even a LCD-2 Classic with EDM. It was kind of in the middle in that regard, but a good amp behind them helps.
     
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    Agreed. I used MacBook Air + Khadas Tone2 Pro or Earstudio HUD 100on high gain. The HUD100 even drive my Senn HD600 reasonably well.
     
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    So I left the board but thought I should comment here since I had some doubts about these in terms of softening edges. I finally got to briefly hear a pair and found them quite enjoyable. Not nearly as magnetic planar sounding as expected. I used my iBasso DX240 that has a good stock amp. Only took a minute to realize these are very competitive with anything at the price... depending on preference and interface. I no longer have the Kato or O2 I had for kicks so no direct compare but I had my S8s handy. Not a fair compare as they're clearly better overall but it didn't make the timeless less enjoyable for what it is.

    I also heard the Sony IER-Z1R (same acquaintance). Like those as well but would not trade my S8s for them. Technicalities were excellent but it sounded less single driver than the S8. Yes, I know neither are. If you have S8s, try Complys on them. Mates well with their tonality. That person that owned both Sony and 7hz said he uses the Timeless more than the Sony and I'd keep my S8 over the Sony as well. I also currently own EE Spartans and use them with S1 adel but the S8 is my go to. I know they have a flat phase curve but suspect they also have decent group delay. At least they sound it to me.
     
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    Loaner Tour Impressions
    Thank you SBAF and @rhythmdevils for kindly letting me participate in this loaner tour, I very much appreciate it.

    Gear, Caveats, and Preferences
    • Sony NW-ZX2 DAP and Bifrost 2 -> Magni 3
    • I only used the Timeless’s stock cable
    • I’m in my mid-40s and have suffered from some hearing loss; I have no idea what's happening above 14 or 15 kHz
    • I’m not typically a fan of warm tunings; I prefer the HD 600 over the 650
    • My own preferred IEMs are the Andromeda 2020, original Solaris, and the Massdrop Plus

    General stuff
    I struggled, at first, to get a good fit with the Timeless. The solution was to angle the IEMs diagonally, in a kind of v shape on either side of my head, i.e. with the top edge of the shells sticking further out. Inserted this way, the nozzles were tilted slightly upwards in my ear canal. This got around the top of my ear (helix/antihelix) pushing the IEMs out and helped keep a proper seal.


    Impressions
    It’s funny, these IEMs weren’t immediately impressive. They were likable enough. But, over the five days of the loaner, they really grew on me. I might like some more bass emphasis and depth, as well as stronger macrodynamics, but otherwise these are lovely IEMs.

    The Timeless’s limitations and drawbacks are so few in number it’s easiest just to list them briefly here at the outset:
    • some may find the Timeless to lack bass depth and emphasis
    • macrodynamics are quite soft
      • sometimes, the music isn’t percussive enough
    • with the lack of bass strength, there’s not much slam, either
    • on some pieces of music, the sounds are panned too much to the sides, as though there’s not enough of a center image
      • this isn’t a consistent issue and I’m not sure what’s going on here
    • you don’t get the best isolation from these IEMs
    On the other hand, there’s a great to love about the Timeless. Its outstanding qualities for me are:
    • its lovely mids, which are smooth and coherent and even
    • the overall tuning, which is well balanced, with a decent bit of bass heft and nice, clean, and clear treble
    • the timbre of acoustic instruments is very, very good, for the most part
      • double basses, for instance, come across as nicely reverberant and woody even though the Timeless doesn’t have the strongest bass
    • vocals, both male and female, are especially nice
    • the headstage is very good; it doesn’t project particularly far or wide, it’s not especially spacious or holographic, as with the original Solaris, but it’s wide and deep enough
      • rather, what’s so impressive about its staging is the Timeless’s inner spaciousness
        • what I mean by this is that the decent imaging combines with excellent separation and layering
        • instruments are clearly identifiable, distinct, and separate from one another, and they have plenty of air and space around them
          • in other words, these IEMs aren’t in the least bit congested
    • the rich, slightly forward and even mids, when combined with the staging, make for a kind of natural, open, effortless sound, one that’s not in the least bit constrained
    I found that I wasn’t listening so much to the IEMs as I was to the music, in and of itself - even when I was supposed to be listening critically.


    Comparison with the Kato (also posted in my impressions of the Kato):

    Using BF2 -> Magni 3 (low gain), with stock cable on Timeless

    Tuning:
    • the Kato is warmer, it has more emphasis in the bass and less in the treble
    • the Timeless offers more even and coherent mids, which sound more forward and spacious
    • the Timeless has better treble extension and more air at the top
    • the Timeless is smoother; the Kato is a bit rougher and perhaps grainier (I hesitate to type this)
    • the overall sound is thicker or weightier with the Kato; it has greater tonal richness
      • this isn’t necessarily a good thing, though: combined with the warmth, the Kato could sound more sluggish and congested
    • the Timeless is lighter, airier, nimbler
    • it also gives the sense that its frequency response is better extended, in both directions
    What this means is that:
    • with the Kato the sub-bass has more rumble
    • the mid-bass is also more forward
      • with that being said, I preferred the timbre of double basses with the Timeless; they sounded “woodier,” more realistic and natural
    • I suspect the Timeless’s bass is a bit tighter and faster (I could well be wrong here; these advantages weren’t constant across all music)
    • the Kato’s strings have less bite
    • cymbals had a cleaner, crisper, zingier sound with the Timeless
    • female vocals are more forward on the Kato

    Technicalities:
    • the Kato has a less spacious headstage, both in terms of width and depth
    • the Timeless has better layering, separation, and space around instruments, with better treble and more top-end air
    • I think the Timeless might pull ahead slightly in imaging; it’s hard to tell because the Timeless provides a larger stage in which to locate sounds
    • the Timeless has a cleaner sound, one that’s more pristine and less muddy
    • the Timeless has better resolution
    • it’s also faster
    • the Kato has stronger macrodynamics
    • with its stronger bass emphasis, the Kato also slams harder
    Altogether, the Kato sounds warmer and more intimate. The Timeless, by contrast, sounds faster, more resolving, nimbler and more responsive, and more open and spacious and airy in its staging, with much better separation and space around instruments.

    Comparison of the Timeless with the Kato and Massdrop Plus
    This has the potential to get overly complex so I’ll go the other way and be super brief and to the point. The Kato offers the warmest, most intimate and robust sound, one that’s bassy, with a weighty, thick sound that borders on being ponderous in comparison with the other two. The MD+ is more evenly balanced, with more emphasis in the treble, and it has a lighter, faster, airier and more ethereal sound, one that’s less substantial and with less convincing timbre for most instruments. The Timeless splits the difference between them, being at the same time weighty and substantial enough while also being pleasantly and engagingly energetic, responsive, open, and spacious. It also has the best staging, with superior imaging, layering, and separation.

    The Timeless comes with the fewest compromises of the three, which is to say that it does the least wrong (and those faults are simply a lack of macrodynamic strength and overly soft slam). To be more positive, the Timeless has the best, most even and coherent midrange of the three and, as a result, sounds the most natural and relaxed and pleasurable. It’s also possibly the most resolving. I’m not entirely sure but I’d say the Timeless offers the best timbre for acoustic instruments, and found in orchestral works that I could most readily and confidently identify different woodwind instruments with the Timeless.


    Comparison with the Andromeda 2020:

    I was enjoying the Timeless so much, and had come to find the resolution to be so good, that I wondered how these IEMs would fare in a direct comparison with my Andromeda 2020. I know it’s not a fair fight, the Andro being more than five times as expensive. But I felt the need for a reality check, and I wanted to offer a bit more perspective here so that these impressions don’t overstate the Timeless’s qualities:
    • the Timeless is much less resolving
    • it has a hazier sound: individual instruments are much less distinct
    • some of the complexity of a large orchestra is lost
    • the Timeless has some edginess in the treble, not sure if it’s so much grain as it is a bit of peakiness in some frequencies around 8-10kHz?
    • imaging is inferior
    • staging isn’t too far behind Andro, a bit more in the head, less spacious, but still decent
    • the Timeless is slower, much less nimble and responsive

    Conclusion
    I understand completely why people have raved about the Timeless. In my impressions of the Kato, I wrote that I’d be stoked to be given a pair; with the Timeless, I’ll be on my best behavior so that Santa (or my wife) might consider treating me to a pair. By contrast, I’ve had my pair of Massdrop Plus for four years now, and I’ve loved them. I much prefer the Timeless, which reveal many of the MD+’s shortcomings.

    The Timeless aren’t immediately outstanding IEMs; but they’re tuned beautifully and make for a lovely, entirely satisfying and pleasing listen. I’d love to hear them with an RU6 dongle.
     
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    I finally got a pair of Timeless. In short, they're well worth the hype and best anything I've heard anywhere near their price. What immediately stands out is their smoothness - I hear no peaks. On top of that they extend well in both directions, with that great ortho bass. What sets them apart from other IEMs to me is the size of the image or instruments. To me they sounds more like a HP than other IEMs I've heard. It's not that their soundstage is huge (it's not), but instruments sound bigger and less toylike than other IEMs.

    They sound fine/good out of my modest Sabre based Shanling Q1. They sound really good out of the Cayin RU6 SE - more textured and less plasticky than the Q1. But they scale up and become more dynamic when plugged into the RU6 -Vali 2.

    When compared to the Dunu Pro, they're not as detailed and the timbre isn't quite as good (maybe an ortho v dynamic thing). But the subbass is better, and they're a little smoother/easier to listen to over long periods than the Zen Pros.
     
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    I'll just do a little hot take on the Timeless, since most reviews so far have covered most of what I'm also hearing with these. The most sympathetic pairing I found (yet) was Cayin M6Pro21 on highest gain, balanced out, somewhat surprisingly. I haven't tried these out yet on my office desktop stuff. Either way, there's still some subbass bloat, to me, but from the lower mids on up they've got an exceptional sense of coherence and evenness. Again, hot take: for under $1k (and my limited experience in IEMs) these are a pretty simple suggestion for complete extension at both ends of the frequency spectrum, with a slight emphasis in the sub bass. Treble can sound a touch plastic-ey at times, but it's of the "music is being played" type compared to "music is being experienced" where I get more of the "music is being experienced" w/ my tried-and-true Andro or Solaris+supporting staff. I've been searching for a replacement for my old pair of MD Plus, which I stupidly sold, and the Timeless is the perfect replacement/upgrade for that specific use case. 93% of the $1k+ "good stuff" arena without the heartburn when they get dinged up hanging out in a backpack or in your pocket. And easy to get on Amazon. Done deal.
     
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    The 7hz will get an instant golden shlong nomination from me (value and performance).
    Yes, the bass is not the tightest, but the all-around coherence and feeling of being there is quite incredible for the price.
    As mentioned, unlike the CA IEMs, I don’t get a heart-attack when I put them back in the case; they’re sturdy, probably won’t ding and they’re cheap enough that I don’t really care if they do.
    I actually bought a second pair for work, so I don’t have to keep moving mine back and forth.

    I’m yet to give the S12 a proper go with the microporous tape mod and forming the cable so they don’t stick out awkwardly and break the seal. Stock vs stock, I’ll take the 7hz no question.
     
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    Would a video of the micropore tape mod help? The S12 destroys the Timeless IMO after the mod. Especially with the RU6 the realism is just magical.

    The S12 benefits from a copper cable too. And I use Azle Crystal tips.
     

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