NOT: Theory on the new Schiit

More like 90 years from when James B Lansing made the award winning system that revolutionized movie sound.
And continued on through JBL and altec Lansing.

Although that reputation can mean nothing. Look at altec now.

 

Incredibly little stereo material in that deep subwoofer range. I would expect you'd find it almost exclusively in film/tv audio (the weapon or vehicle passes across the frame and the sound follows) but humans are really bad at localizing bass anyhow, which is why you can get away with putting a subwoofer in a seemingly nonsensical spot. And the vinyl mastering process requires bass content be mono anyhow.
Every article I've read about multiple subs talks about it simply as a strategy to deal with the room better and get smoother bass and reduce strain on the individual subs to make strain/high excursion/"bottoming out" even less likely.

 

Also true. I can't get away with one subwoofer in my current arrangement.

 

Put the sub at the listening position and measure the response across the room. Place the sub where the response is where you want it at the listening position. Done.

If the placement is not practical, change room and start over.

 

It wasnt really an argument.
I agree with all of what you are saying, im just saying JBL's good reputation in the past doesnt mean that much, as altec had the same reputation.
That said, JBL is still good.

I was basically just adressing a flaw in your argument, despite the fact I agreed with you.
I dont really know why...

Ill deffinatly be doing something with my 2 15" JBL's, but for now, space is tight. Ill just keep them safe for a few years

 

Really?
But bass goes that low, organ, piano, contrabassoon, and more.
Seems like tehre would be plenty of that.

 

LOL!

Spoken like a true bachelor.

 

Note I said stereo material. As in noticeably panned left or right. Perhaps that was ambiguous phrasing. Lots of low material yes, but again we are bad at figuring out where bass is coming from so subwoofer-range bass would have to be rather loud and hard-panned to be very noticeable. For example, organ, piano and contrabassoon are all instruments that are going to be pretty static in most music (not being panned all around as layered guitar parts might be on a rock record). And if they are panned, you aren't going to notice that from hearing the <60Hz frequencies, you'll notice it from the stuff above that. Equal Loudness Principle, psychoacoustics blah blah.

EDIT: basic summary. I've perused some AES papers on the matter but don't have them on hand and probably not legal to share anyhow.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...ass-localization-old-debate.html#post22630712

 

Like this?

http://www.audioxpress.com/article/the-hideaway-tl-sub

 

serious question: then why can i locate the guy pulling up 6 cars back from me at a stop light with sub-50hz thunderous bass coming from his car? that mouth breather is always behind me....

 

Because there is a lot of above 50hrz that lets you locate the below 50hrz

 

i.e. harmonicks

 

As long as we are talking about gigantic bass drivers.

http://hometheaterreview.com/meyer-sound-x-10-powered-loudspeakers/

2-way pro monitors with a 15-inch woofer and compression horn. Has a mic in front of the woofer for feedback.

 

Just a shout out to Marvey, thanks for a great discussion. I don't think there's any significant daylight between our views on subs or other acoustic matters.

I have fairly extreme views on how time coherence rules for direct radiation, but after that I think it also benefits when achieved in first reflections. That's why I'm a speakers-facing-forward (i.e. parallel to the side walls) proponent: as long as the direct radiation is as time-coherent as possible, the first reflections from side walls bring about more recording-space cues if they are fairly coherent too...just my theory and experience. I keep subs as close as possible (currently under) my mains. While I haven't tried it, putting subs in corners when you delay the other drivers makes sense as a way to break the spl barrier. That's good, and of course you know an effectively infinite baffle results from the position.

 

Um what?
4" excursion????

 

@baldr has suggested that Cthulu is coming "soon":
http://www.head-fi.org/t/784471/what-a-long-strange-trip-its-been-robert-hunter/1320#post_13034619

He keeps waxing lyrical about its aesthetic beauty...