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Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by JewBear, Dec 14, 2015.

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  1. purr1n

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    1. Bass shelf 90Hz
    2. Treble shelf 7kHz
    3. BBC curve (on off) 3kHz depression
    4. L / R balance
     
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    Realistically I'd be happy with 30Hz -3db. Speaker that don't go to about 45Hz -3 db get annoying. It depends on the roll-off below that. -10db at 25Hz is better than no output at 25Hz.
     
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    Of course, this assumes one is listening to music with real instruments. Modern (electronic, etc.) music has lots of information below 50Hz.
     
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    Looks like Ken Rockwell supports stereo subs:
    http://kenrockwell.com/audio/stereo-subwoofers.htm

    I think it really boils down to your music preferences if a proper(<50Hz) subwoofer is necessary. I listen to mostly contemporary music(Jazz/80s, 90s/Rock) so I don't think I will miss having a subwoofer as much. Good to have but not totally necessary. Also my neighbors will kill me if I had a powerful subwoofer.

    Maybe it will be better to move this discussion to a new subwoofer thread.
     
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    Muh 32' organ stop, tho.
     
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    LOL. I don't listen to pipe organ, harp, contrabassoon, or electronic music. Hahaha. So I'll take 30Hz.
     
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    Can we split this off into a separate thread, please? I propose "Marv knows everything about bass and crossovers so TOO BAD"
     
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    even my harbeth p3 and scm7 are able to go down about -6db at 55hz. im playing with my subs between my speakers up to 70hz to also fill a dip I have in my room.
    I must say, I dont hear the sub even if I bring it up to 100hz, but i may prefer the sub crossed at 50hz as it sounds a bit cleaner with faster transients. im experiementing with it as I just go my two new speakers

    for me, I need my system to go at least to about -6db at 30hz because im listening to a lot of ambient and electronica. if I were to only listen to jazz, a system flat to 50hz is plenty.
     
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    Not sure what's so funny, but seems our wires crossed. We were discussing 50Hz.
     
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    No, because the original topic of this thread has already run its course. The new Schiit has been revealed. None of it being a digital product (this thread is in the digital sub-forum), unless you count the built-in DAC of the Jotunheim. It's basically random discussion time. This is what happens when people start new threads dealing in speculation. My intent is to punish you for the existence of these threads.
     
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    Split off Zonto's prior excellent work into a few thread in the proper sub-forum. Renamed this thread.
     
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    MODFIGHT! MODFIGHT! MODFIGHT!



    (for clarification, this post is meant in no serious way, but instead as my own special formulation of gasoline* for this very confused thread, which sadly does contain very useful info about speakers)

    ((*it has extra cleaning agents or something))
     
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    Knowing your preferences a little bit better, I would actually highly discourage you from going down this route. The wide-bander thing is simply just a different beast. If you place priority on tonal smoothness and accuracy, this is definitely NOT the way to go. I think someone like Zaph (who hates wide-banders and prefers more traditional designs) would be able to provide better recommendations. In any event, I've already rejected the Lowthers because of a nasty sharp 7kHz spike which is not easy to fix without DEQ. And I don't want to spend the next month playing with different caps or unwinding / winding coils to perfect the proper null filter for it.

    When it comes down to it, I'm just bored of traditional medium to low efficiency small woofer designs. That's what most of speakers cabinets that you see (or inside the boxes) in the back of the garage in that photo are.
     
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    Very useful info about speakers indeed! I was considering buying the Salk Song 3s to pair with my Rag but now I may just as well stick to my bookshelfs and grab a Rythmik sub or something.

    (We really need a fully fledged speaker All purpose advice thread BTW)
     
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    Hahaha. Not at all. We work in concert, alternating between destroying, maintaining, and creating.
     
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    What a bunch of Shivas.
     
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    Wasn't this thread about Manhattan Project? That's still 'the new schiit'...
     
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    Really? The SVS SB-2000 didn't perform too well in a corner. I always thought that the herpderp-puteminacorna method worked for maximum bass quantity because you excite all boundary modes. I ended up placing mine judging by listening spot mic measurements. I mean, if you have spent four figures on speaker stuff, it's inexcusable to not get a 80$ measurement mic.

    REW also does a decent job of modelling room modes for rectangular rooms. Just make sure to not place the sub closer to you than the mains, if bass arrives faster than the mains signal, then it craps up the imaging. Luckily it's not too hard to set delays.

    Is there much stereo material in the <50Hz range? For me multiple subs give more control in fixing bass for a larger listening spot.
     
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