Dune (Denis Villeneuve)

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    ^ This. Basically a Chinese tiger mom type. Devoted to her husband, devoted to her son even more. To the extent that she was willing to fully leverage the primitive religious beliefs* of the Freman toward Space Wahhabi Fundamentalism Jihad to ensure the survival of herself and her son.

    *No Jungian or Joseph "Penchant for the Obvious" Campbell subconscious archetype stuff here. The Bene Gesserit went around the universe planting myths in primitive cultures, just in case they got stuck on a shithole and needed help to get out of it.
     
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    Yes she just did not think her son, daughter, and the Fremen would make eschatological scripture into bloody material reality like the First Crusade with nukes.

    Paul establishes the Kingdom of God and slaughters the infidels. The Fremen pray for this from the opening page.

    of course the Liet-Keynes actress have no idea that the Fremen meant by “cleanse this world” and Dennis V definitely does but knows there is no way in hell that movie would ever get made just like an accurate film about the First Crusade would never, ever get made with the mass slaughter, headhunting, literal trials by fire, and cannibalism. Game of Thrones was the Care Bears compared to the First Crusade. Islamic fundamentalists taking over the universe isn’t sellable to teenagers. You’re not making 300 million dollars from that.
     
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    You can pull off really evil protagonists but you have to design the rest of the cast to be thoroughly satanic child molester scumbags relative to the merely less evil protagonist for it to work. Casting Paul as an absolute good guy committing genocide though, yup, you're right, not gonna happen.
     
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    Finally saw it. And I'm not sure what to think. I haven't read this thread yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so after this post. I woke up thinking about the movie; that happens way too rarely with movies. But even more, I woke up feeling it. The planet. The scenes. The other-worldliness of it. I want to see it again. Kind of. But more as an experience than a movie. And at the same time, I think I would feel the same way I did watching it last night: This is kind of boring. Maybe because I reread the book a year ago or so? Maybe... Not boring like I didn't like it... more like I've seen this before. Not sure if that is a good or bad trait in a movie from a book. But then again.. Dune is kind of a weird book. It treats you like a tolerated refugee and so does the movie.

    I really have no idea how someone who is not a fan of the book would feel about it. I'm guessing they would find it slow-moving, weird and with mediocre acting. And I think they'd be disappointed with no climax to the movie. As a book fan, I felt like it was a pastiche of imagined sketches of what life on Dune is like. Or concept art for a Dune movie. So, in that way, it was fascinating. Almost, like how when I was a kid, I got a Tolkien calendar and you saw different artists' renditions of Middle-Earth. The movie felt like that. The score complemented it. Yeah, so it was like a well-produced travelogue of Arakkis, etc.

    I wish there were no actors that I knew in the movie. It kind of destroyed the experience, the other-worldliness. I thought it strange how they kept saying "humans" like there were alien races. Which was a weird in a movie without non-humans. But seeing humans who you've seen in all kind of other movies, felt like a paste-and-copy job. Probably couldn't have gotten the success without them, but apart from Paul and Jessica, not sure the big names added much to the movie. Just kind of reminded you that you weren't actually on another planet. Actors probably shouldn't distract from the mirage.

    My 11 year old daughter asked who the protagonist was. First, I thought, Paul. But then I thought Arakkis. Maybe that's right. I'm not sure.

    Other thoughts:
    • Didn't like the casting of Liet Kynes.
    • Really loved the voice. That was terrifying.
    • Loved the ornithopters. And the Shai Halud.
    • Jason Mamoa. smh.
    • The space scenes. So cool.
    • Thought it was a good move to be upfront about the emperor's plotting. If I remember in the book, you have to guess more, put the parts together. That kept things going in the movie.
    • Was that weird giant pet bug in the movie?
    • Kind of works better as an excellent BBC miniseries than a theater movie. Except you want to see and hear it on the big screen.
     

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