Pictures of your speaker system

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  1. enginerd

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    It's true that the room is a critical component of the "system." There are at least a couple reasons why people don't do that. For one, gear (including cables and power) is sometimes bling wheras acoustic treatment not so much. Two, in most cases, speaker setup is in a mixed use space so their are placement and aesthetic considerations (i.e. personal and/or spousal acceptance factor). Most pictures I've seen of a well treated space are in a dedicated listening space; not all of us have that luxury.

    There are things that you can do that do easily fit in with decor...rugs are pretty beneficial on hardwood floors. Shelves filled with books can help diffuse sound. I have a good amount of acoustic foam still (mostly in the back of the room, but also in the cavity behind my screen) and also some 48" X 24" X 2" sound panels installed, but I definitely made sure to run it (the type and color of the fabric, etc.) past the wife before installing those.

    All said, that's one reason why it's much easier to have a nice headphone rig...
     
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    I've got the speakers moved up to their final resting place. I'm seriously working on the placement and room. I'm going to get some bathmats from Ikea to put on the wall behind the speakers and listening position (works well weirdly enough...done it before.)

    Here is the current set up. Need to get my DAC fixed and get a non HT amp eventually. I'm honestly just so stoked with how its sounding so far, its hard to believe it gets better :)

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    Due to Dennis being unwell, supposedly Jim Salk is now going to be building the BMR's.....for $3000USD. I read this on Reddit so I have no idea if it is indeed true, however, if it is? Thats a bummer. These speakers are amazing me, especially for how much they cost. I thought I would buy speakers around this price so I could listen to tunes, and then buy something more expensive to build a system around at a later date. Honestly, I don't think I will buy speakers for a good long while now. I think these are perfect for building a system around and learning more about speaker listening vs. headphones. So stoked.
     
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    Very valid arguments. I would not spend a crazy amount on hifi if I knew the room had major issues, but we all have different priorities. It just seems like some people buy a ferrari and are driving offroad with it. And if they don’t like the way it handles and accelerates, they go blame the tires and petrol, or buy a lamborghini :).

    I would love a general recommendation list of gear, besides the already very helpful golden schlong awards. There are so many audio websites and magazines, and I honestly feel SBAF is the only source of information I know without a ‘hidden’ agenda.
     
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    Dennis is ill and isn’t taking any new orders.

    I actually really need a center which is unfortunate. I’ll reach out to Jim Salk to see if he’ll do them, but I suspect I’m looking at $2000+ if he will.
     
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    to continue the car analogy, I'd say it's more like who buys a supercar or even a sports car and doesn't take it to the track? You can't possibly experience the limits of what it can do (at least safely or legally) unless you go to the track. My guess most BMW, Porsche, etc. owners don't do that to maximize what their cars can do, but, hey, different strokes...
     
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    There are a lot of audiophiles who focus and concentrate on the things that really matter or seek value where it is possible. Found a great sounding $6000 speaker cable, but $20 of plenum rated CAT6 sounds 99.2% as good. Use the $20 stuff. Heck, I have both, but I still use the cheaper CAT6 because it's easier to handle and doesn't weigh 25lbs with a tendency to fall off or rip out the speaker terminals. The thing is, these sensible audiophiles don't seem to exist because they aren't the type to talk about their stuff, with the exception of people like who me who proudly admit that they use $8 shit because listening tests actually demonstrated that the $8 shit sounded better, no worse, or simply different than the $389 shit, or that the $79 15" woofer sounded better than x4 $389 6.5" exotic composite material woofers.

    Sadly, sometimes it's no life, the wife left, and the kids are no longer in the house. Getting old, out-of-shape, etc. I don't think it's bling. I guess some people might do that. Basically, nothing else better to do. These lonely dudes start getting deeper and deeper into it - in a very unhealthy way. There are a lot of women around Calabasas and Beverly Hills who get plastic surgery. I mean the really bad Joan Rivers kind. What these audiophile dudes do is no different from the plastic surgery women. It's gross.

    I've stopped buying this lame excuse. Does anyone think the wife would be happy with $20k cables when $2k of cables, rugs, shelves, panels, and nice furniture would do? There are inventive ways to compromise. Or just marry someone who understands you. Or marry someone who has some common sense and knows that all shit in the "Living Room" magazines is utter bullshit. Want to know something about the 2MM-3MM houses in the gated communities around my neighborhood? Many of them are barren inside with barely any furniture or window treatments.

    This is one of my listening rooms. You guys ever wonder why my listening rooms always look like shit with crap all over the place, on the floors, and without any obvious signs of room treatments (they are there if you look and think carefully - I also prefer lively rooms since I am not exact mixing audio for the latest Marvel film). I am using patch cables I bought from Guitar Center too. I take pride in these things - showing y'all that speakers ain't as difficult as some audiophiles make it out to be - keeping it real.

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    It's not room treatments, it's mental treatments that are needed first.
     
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    I still get enjoyment out of shit listening setups, existing in the real world. Probably more enjoyment than taking the time to go to a special room that is impractical for anything other than speaker listening. Like when a party ends on a Friday night, and everyone leaves, I can just put some of the Doors on this not good setup and have a great listening experience. Bad setups and untreated rooms exist because there is something better than audio: life.
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    @purr1n But thats why I really enjoy this place. I have given up the idea of owning the ultimate audio set-up. My goal these days is to get a 90% set-up. As a figure of speech, since we don’t know what 100% is, or 0%. I sometimes see ‘recommended components’ or ‘systems per price-point’ lists in magazines, which seem helpful. However as soon as I see Grado 325i’s recommended (what HiFi), or all things Chord (Stereophile), I know I can’t rely on it.

    Would there be enough consensus to make a basic recommendation list here. Gear like the HD650/600, Schiit Jotunheim/Modi Multi, Campfire Andromeda seem steady contenders. The Golden Schlong awards from the last couple of years would be a great place to start.

    The efficient audiophile, a new or silent breed
     
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    Xecuter Brush and floss your amp twice a day

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    Aircon!! And some panels and stuff
     
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    I always repeat that without the subs she wouldn't be able to have that many plants.
     
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    All those low frequencies will help promote soil aeration and thus provide for healthier plants. That was your plan all along!
     
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    I'm not going to comment on what wives care about home decor wise. I accept that is obviously an issue for some (many, most?). My GF does not give a shit what I put on my walls so I guess I am lucky.

    Still, you have a website dedicated to measuring the performance of audio equipment, and I can easily show you with REW graphs that a few hundred bucks worth of optimizing your room makes way more difference than those $6000 speaker cables ever will. Or probably even the $100 ones.

    I know it's not your thing, but you should not just discount that optimizing the acoustics of your listening space make a substantial difference. Probably the biggest price/benefit money I have ever spent in this audio hobby.
     
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    I think there was talk about making a thread for room measurements. Would appreciate if the mods start one if it is not yet a thing.

    $300 is the difference between these waterfall graphs. The audible difference is huge. The wife acceptability factor is probably very low to be sure.

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    Also, note I'm a bass head so the boost below 70 is completely intentional. YMMV
     
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    Very nice setups! Adam A77X’s and Neumann K310’s, have worked on both of those with great results, and they are also enjoyable!

    @the graphs above, this has been my experience as well. In a average untreated room, 1000usd/€ of room treatment will have a more significant impact on the sound than a new dac/amp/cable/power supply. There must be a balance between measuring and hearing.
     
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    Y-axis is different on the two plots. Without apples-apples measurement visualizations, we cannot say much about the effects of these unspecified $300 room treatments. At a glance, comparing available data, they don't seem to do anything. And if they did, room treatments tend to be ineffective below a few hundred cycles. Any differences in the bass meaasurements more likely due to other factors such as ambient and environmental noise. In other words, bass traps don't do shit unless they are couch or mattress sized, or actually couches or mattresses.

    P.S. I never made an argument against room treatments. I simply was against the notion of formal room treatments being a necessity for speaker use, which for some reason never existed decades ago among audiophiles.
     
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    5 points for anyone who can call out the hidden room treatments (or other gear factors) in the photo I posted above.
     
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    The Millennium Falcon diffusor pro will obviously help. As will all the furniture and random shit. This is why I like bathmats from Ikea on the walls. My old studio was full of them. I don't know if they were in the right position, I just did what looked right (ish) but the room sure sounded great. The old studio still has them all actually, I should go take a photo. Shame is, they smell really bad because a tree went through the roof (long story) and they got all mouldy :(

    I think I've been getting caught up in bullshit audiophile nervosa as I'm new and just getting into"HIFI" speakers rather than always listening to headphones. Listen more, worry less, I suppose.
     
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    True the plots were taken months apart and the calibration is very marginally different.. The treatments were the only change though. I would be fine with redoing them for science's sake.

    And yes, I've heard the argument that traps are not very efficient a low frequencies, but I'll add a quote from Ethan Winer, from whom I have learned a lot about this....

    https://www.gearslutz.com/board/bas...olution-acoustics-20hz-bass-traps-anyone.html


    I would not say you have argued against them, but you are certainly consistently dismissive. I don't consider them a necessity either but they still really do provide a lot of bang for the buck.
     

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