Life after Yggdrasil: Watering the Ash

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by Torq, Mar 1, 2017.

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  1. GoldenOne

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    I'd definitely take a Yggdrasil over the Bartok, but then I'd also take an M1SE, May, Wavedream, DAVE, Terminator Plus and even some much lower cost stuff like the X26 Pro over it too so it's more about the Bartok being not at all worth the money.

    I'll be doing a video review of all three Yggdrasil models once I've heard LIM.
    I've got MIL here at the moment and a friend loaned me his OG Yggdrasil for a while which was great.

    I really really like the Yggdrasil OG, didn't like MIL at all. Hopefully will be able to get some LIM cards soon :)
     
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    The ultrasonic noise is noise shaping, special dithering to get lower distortion and SINAD with bandwidth limited. After all, it's a five-bit DAC. It's kind of cool that they made their own hybrid delta-sigma DAC.
     
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    Makes sense,@GoldenOne. Perhaps this DAC would synergize better with gear that emphasizes the leading edge of transients. Focal comes to mind. You mentioned in the video trying it out with your friend’s Focal speakers; how was the synergy there?
     
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    I know but so much of it so close to the audible band seems pretty problematic.
    ESS chips operate in an almost identical manner (though with the mapper working differently ofc) to dCS and whilst ESS isn't necessarily a 'top tier' dac candidate IMO they don't seem to have the same problems.

    I'm not sure, there's a lot of stuff about the bartok which could have some reasonable explanation, but there's also a lot of stuff which in a 15k DAC leaves me feeling like it's a mediocre DAC in a really nice box.
    Both objective stuff like the channels not even behaving the same as eachother or jitter being pretty mediocre, and subjective stuff such as it being dull as dishwater :p
     
  5. Xecuter

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    Abbas 2.3 SE review:

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    Firstly, keep in mind, every Abbas dac will have a different design (each one has slightly different parts) and depending on your source and tubes you could create a very different experience with this DAC.


    Gear: sft-SE+ > abbas 2.3SE with meatball RCA > atc sca-2 > atc 150aslt alternatively abbas fed into my eddie current studio SET - headphone amp.

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    It is super energetic for a NOS dac, very engaging indeed. The abbas DAC is extremely sensitive to source equipment and can sound bad from a lot of sources, fortunately it played very well with my cd-transport with spdif (it's only input).

    It also changed a lot with the different tube variants. Fortunately I had some foresight to have my friends in the US send me tubes that coax the best out of the Abbas 2.3se.

    The stage is still NOS like, congested and a bit too intimate, imaging suffers as a result and this is definitely the weakest aspect of the DAC. This is much less noticeable on headphones but still an issue. I was able to make it more diffuse with tube selection but then lost some of the energy which is what makes this dac special.

    I feel there is some extra presence in the upper octaves and the treble is not like typical NOS (I'm looking at you metrum), it's strong and focused, and transients are sudden and land with authority giving the dac a lovely timbre and energy, however in complex pieces where there is 'polytonal' things going on with lots of instruments the dac loses focus and can become a bit smeared. Blackground it more of a greyground like the Yggdrasil 1 for those familiar.

    Due to the greyground, lack of clarity and slight smearing, detail is not a strong point, however this doesn't seem to really detract from the experience as much as other dacs. The PrAT and energy are just addictive.

    This DAC is not a giant slayer but it is 'fun', it gets the foot tapping but lacks some technical prowess. It's in a similar vein to the terminator DAC but has more tweakability and a much more pleasant price point. There are several tiers above the Abbas 2.3se and I am definitely interested to see if I can get a hold of them because the 2.3se was definitely an enjoyable dac to spend time with.

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    we did try it with some good sources like the mutec with ref SE120 and some other cheaper options and it really is a chameleon with sources.


    Where does it rank on my Dac list?
    It didn't quiet hit the top 10 and honestly was lucky to not get knocked down into the mid-fi range, but the moments of engrossing engagement made me prefer it over a lot of other dacs which were more technical but lacked engagement/energy.
     
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  6. rlow

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    You called the Hugo TT2 with Mscaler ‘hot trash’ on your list, but it’s still in your system? Keeping it as a hot trash reference? ;)

    Also what do you think of the Signature Rendu SE? I have the OpticalRendu and think it’s fantastic.

    Also, thanks for the impressions of the Abbas. I now know this one would not be for me (I’m way too into staging, clarity/cleanliness and instrument separation).
     
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    Isn't thst the brand from Ukraine (?) that sells on ebay? Am I confusing?

    If yes I remember checking that they had a bunch of configs and was always curious about them after a few Danish in a Scandinavian forum had bought a couple of models and loved them. This must have been 2y ago or so...

    Edit: can confirm, I had saved a bookmark for his ebay store but its selling a lot less now (maybe it's more of an email order kind of thing?!).
    Just will add that if, like me, u are more into sub 1k/2k you better move along since these ain't cheap.
     
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    ATC 150a!!!!
     
  9. Xecuter

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    That second photo is from my mates place. He's a dealer and stocks a lot of stuff, I took my rockna and the Abbas there so he could hear it and I wanted to hear Abbas from mutec. My system is the atc + rockna one.
    I've heard the optical rendu and agree it's an excellent source. Haven't borrowed the signature off him yet.
     

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