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Discussion in 'Headphone Amplifiers and Combo (DAC/Amp) Units' started by neogeosnk, Mar 20, 2018.

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  1. purr1n

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    For HD650, modded or otherwise, Valhalla 2 remains one my of favorites at that price point. The lack of ultimately clarity is not a huge price to pay for the layering and microdynamics. The more laid back nature and mid-bass emphasis nature of the HD650 also suits the Valhalla 2's tonal, timbre, and dynamic presentation better.

    For HD600 / HD800, the scales might tip over the Lyr 3, which is more capable of taking advantage of the HD600 / 800's better clarity. The Lyr 3's tonal and timbral matching with these two headphones might be better too, for the majority of 6SN7s. There really is no such thing as a bright or forward aggressive sounding 6SN7 (well, maybe tall glass 7n7 on an adapter).
     
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    Much appreciated for the detailed comments today...@hands @purr1n. The really does help bring perspective about the lyr 3 into focus for me. I'd still like to hear it first, but this amp is now officially my schiit list. (that's a good thing).
     
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    @purr1n have you been able to listen to Lyr 3 with HD800(S) yet? Might Lyr 3 replace Vali 2 as recommended budget amp for HD800S?
     
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    Lyr 3 is in every way better than Vali 2. It can be said to be a direct upgrade because their presentations are similar, but Lyr 3 technicalities far superior.
     
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    The T3's narrow stage is one of its biggest weaknesses, so this is a bit concerning if the Lyr 3 has an even narrower stage.

    @purr1n, @Hands any thoughts on how the Lyr 3 would pair with the Utopia as well?
     
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    Before the Lyr 3 was announced, if someone had asked me what I wanted, the above quote would have been my dream scenario as the Vali 2 has been my favorite Schiit amp for quite some time.

    I'd tell @schiit to get out of my head, but it seemed to benefit me this time around.

    As long as they aren't looking at all the other stuff floating around up there...
     
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  7. purr1n

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    Again, different builds for T3.

    I'd rather use ZDS or Stellaris with Utopia.
     
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    Excellent! I have a friend who wants to get into head fi and likes my HD800S but is agonizing over what to buy with a $3000 budget. I will recommend Bifrost Multibit and Lyr 3 to go along with HD800S. At $2600 should work well for him. He can add in a Loki if he likes and still be under $3K.
     
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    This is exactly as I would expect from a hybrid amp at it's price point. Not a knock, just not a surprise.
     
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    Haven't heard much about the phono module in the Lyr 3 (or Jot for that matter). Is it basically just the Mani or different?
     
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    MM only. Better than Mani. Less stages / caps in signal path. Confirmed in past using Jot with internal phono and outboard Mani from my TT.
     
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    Pretty much eliminated with better NOS tubes.
     
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    Adding onto @purr1n , it should also have balanced output
     
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    I don't think Schiit would ever do that because it is not a balanced source. I remember reading a post awhile back from Mike talking about how phono cartridges are single ended no matter how you look at it.

    So basically they would have to break a cardinal rule to generate the negative leg. The 4490 module they can, because it has another chip for the other halves.
     
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    Has anybody had a chance to give the preamp outs a listen yet? I'll be getting a pair of JBL L112's pretty soon (and am already set on a power amp) but the only pre-out I have available is on the Magni 3... so I'm really curious how much of a step up the Lyr 3 would be in that sense (in addition to being a better amp for my HD600, which are certainly deserving of better)
     
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    Similar question here: comparison of Lyr 3's preouts to Jot's?

    The switch from Jot's preouts to Saga for LSR305s was quite noticeable.
     
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    It says "Passive RIAA Balanced Phono Module" right on the card. You can interpret that anyway you want.
     
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    @schiit introduced CAB, cheap ass balanced to the MB card, to make it compatible w/Jot/Lyr... basically not enough room to fit full symmetric Dacs. It's single ended but just enough parts right at the output to get an inverted phase and complete the circuit for Jot..

    BTW how's Lyr's sound staging... anything like Jot's wonkyness (to me it just sounds kind of common) where people try to improve it by inverting one channels phase? I think Valhalla's sound staging is wonderful compared to Jot.
     
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  20. Azimuth

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    Like Scott says, Cheap Ass Balanced.

    You have to ha e a center tap on the windings on the phono cartridge to get a truly balanced input. So just balanced output.
     
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